ok,first, thank you for serving now,no where in those psots is anything like the condescending question you started a thread with. so again i ask,where was this thread last week?
Ack. Thanks. I thought I deleted that part out. Like I said before, you guys automatically assume I am putting down Sanchez, which I am not. This question was not condescending, it was a legitimate WTF. It just doesn't make sense to me that someone would be the unquestioned starter, yet they need another guy to come in and help him win. When you state that kind of faith in a QB, he should be on the field every offensive snap. I think it messes with Sanchez psychologically. If the answer to the question implies a lack of faith in Sanchez, you can't fault me for that. I'm just asking the question to hear opinions.
That's wrong. Why to teams with elite QB's have running backs who run the ball then? Because running it is more effective at times. It just so happens that the Jets best running attack seems to be from the Tebowcat (unless Powell) shows up. It's another way to move yards, I don't believe they have used it on 3rd down (important downs) or in the RZ (very important downs). They use it to supplant the run game it seems, not to replace the QB. Do you get my point? I know I'm rambling so it might be hard, but I think this was a decently written post for a foum. This is replacing the running game, a running game that EVERY QB in the league has to have
Wuuuut? If I'm not mistaken, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady, let alone Blaine Gabbert do not leave the field when the play is to hand off to a running back.
You said "if you have your franchise QB. He will be the best option on the field for every single down." So why do teams run the ball if the QB is the best option for every down? It just so happens the Jets feel they can complement their running attack with the Tebowcat. They did it the first two years and helped throw a wrinkle at the other team. The Jets don't have an elite player at any offensive skills position. QB, TE, WR, RB. They have to make do with what they have. One way to do this is throw that wrinkle.
Meaning he will be on the field on every snap regardless of the type of play. Just like Rodgers, Brees, and Brady... and even Blaine Gabbert.
Okay you clarified your comment finally. So the QB isn't the best option every time, he's just out there every offensive snap? Big difference. Any comments on "It just so happens the Jets feel they can complement their running attack with the Tebowcat. They did it the first two years and helped throw a wrinkle at the other team. The Jets don't have an elite player at any offensive skills position. QB, TE, WR, RB. They have to make do with what they have. One way to do this is throw that wrinkle." or "It just so happens that the Jets best running attack seems to be from the Tebowcat (unless Powell) shows up. It's another way to move yards, I don't believe they have used it on 3rd down (important downs) or in the RZ (very important downs). They use it to supplant the run game it seems, not to replace the QB. " "Because Tebow isn't being used as a QB in these plays. They are using him as Brad Smith because they thought the Brad Smith package was a big reason why they had success in Rex's first two years and not the third. I also think Rex was handed Tebow and this is the way he is going to make it work. They have one player that can do multiple things, saves roster spots." Those all explain why the Jets use the Tebowcat. They thinks it complements their running game and it probably does. Also creates mismatches. Why leave a good football player on the bench if he willing to help in other ways?
You are allowed to make multiple points in a post. I know some posters may not be able to handle it on here, but you can trust me I can handle paragraphs. :up:
If you are implying that a 48-28 Jets' win interfered with this question being asked before now, I'll give you my take. Before the first game I was reserving judgement about whether Rex and Tony had an actionable plan for using Tim that would result in Jets' wins. Like many pro AND anti Tim commenters, every senerio I could imagine would have a net negative. Based on Rex's and Tony's press conferences, I reluctantly accepted Rex's and Tony's stated optimism for Tim making positive contributions to Jets' wins. After the first game, my impression was, Rex and Tony had done it. They had somehow devised a way for Tim to play without stealing Mark's thunder. ANY other outcome has failure for the Jets written all over it. I was impressed with Rex's and Tony's prowess and bought in by saying, "In Rex and Tony I Trust", in spite of the 2nd half shut down that is typical among teams that are NOT accustomed to high performance game starts. After the second game, it is clear Rex and Tony have no intention of using Tim in a way that stands a chance of jeopardizing Mark's QB1 status and that their secret 'Tim cat plan' is nothing but an attempt to psych NFL teams. Not a prescription for success, IMO.
Sanchez hasn't proved to be truly the answer, he is an up and down quarterback. The organization obviously has question marks, or they wouldn't have brought Tebow in. The "Tebowcat" is a rare oppurtunity that a backup ever has in the NFL to show his stuff. If he had an ego and refused to do the other jobs the coaches the asked of him, it wouldn't endear Tebow to the coaching staff or win over the other players. He had a magical run last season, but it wasn't enough to consider him a proven franchise qb for the long run. He needs to earn the job, but he obviously doesn't have a problem with that. If he becomes the starter, all of the punt protector and special teams stuff will just add to the story of his legend of being a selfless player. I really don't think being the punt protector and on the "hands team" for onside kicks takes much at all of his focus from being a QB. The backup qb is one of the most boring jobs in the NFL, most of them don't do much of anything. At least Tebow is staying engaged and getting on the field. If he wants to win the job, he needs to make a huge impact when he gets in to run "his" offense. 22 yard runs won't hurt, but when he gets the chance to throw the ball, and he will, he needs to be on the money. If he doesn't throw some lasers, it will be hard to make a claim for a starting NFL qb job.
Fact is, there were many of us who had questions about Tebow's usage after the first game. Me included. I stated clearly that they need to just sit him on the bench and get him ready as a QB if they need him down the line. Bottom line, when you have the unquestionable best QB on the field, you typically don't take him off. You don't need a Tebow package if you have a great QB. I don't know why it's taboo to say Sanchez may not be the answer long-term. Saying this does not mean that Tebow is the answer. If the Jets cut Sanchez, he'd probably have the same number of teams looking at him as Tebow did... 2-3, and as a backup, not a starter. He is only a great QB to USC alums and Jets faithful, much like Tebow is only a QB1 prospect to a certain demographic. Why do we have to treat Sanchez with kid gloves, and it is accepted to criticize Tebow on every aspect to include him taking his shirt off in practice.
