Boy you show your true colors with this post don't you...This post is a complete and utter JOKE. Being a football player and helping your teammates win is somehow a sideshow act now? It's embarrassing to see a guy out there performing and helping the team out with whatever the Coaching Staff asks him to do? What the hell is wrong with you?? Thankfully, Tim Tebow has more common sense and valor than you do. I honestly respect him for doing whatever he can to help the team win and being open to whatever role the staff tries to fit him with. It's refreshing to see. He definetely not the only player ever to be a great teammate and selfless, but at the same time there's a lot of guys that probably would b%tch and complain about being used in these roles like YOU do, so he deserves some credit for that for sure. I also think he will find the more he's is flexible and willing to do these things the more playing time he will see with the Jets and ultimately, the longer NFL career he will have. Which is probably why he is doing so. Tebow did very well on special teams and helped the Jets win the football game in that role. For you to call it a "sideshow" is both ironic and asinine! I guess I shouldn't expect anything differant from you as a poster but give me a break, what a joke! Such an idiotic post and viewpoint.
First point is that Tebow behind center and Sanchez split out wide doesn't tell the defense anything other than the fact that Tebow is in at QB. Many of you all are presuming that it means it's a run. Secondly, if you split Sanchez out wide, a defender still has to go out there and cover him. That makes it 11 on 11 football.
Of course a defender has to go out there but its not like Sanchez is going to do anything at WR. Of course as long as there is 11 guys out there its 11-on-11 from a numbers standpoint but one of the 11 is in a position where he will be ineffective, thus its essentially 10 on 11. Putting an actual WR in there makes it more advantageous. I don't know why you would disagree with me on this point, other than just to disagree with me... With Tebow behind center and Mark Sanchez at WR, it definetely tips running play to the defense. That's why in that scenario they responded by filling the box with 9 guys and stuffing the run. Until Tebow launches a 50 yard bomb to a wide open, dynamic Mark Sanchez, they have no reason to think any differant, nor should they. I don't understand why you would think it wouldn't be more advantageous for Tebow to be under center with an actual WR out there...
I don't see how anybody could want "more Tebow" yesterday. Everything Sparano called was working (except maybe conventional Shonn Greene runs). It doesn't have to be used only when offense is "sputtering." Keeping them off balance right from the get go is one of the ways to be a unpredictable, explosive offense. Yesterday was just fine -- subbing Tebow in could have made the Bills wonder what was next, what personnel they should have in (it's more difficult for the defense to change personnel in response to all that). It was just about right -- practiced keeping it in the flow, got a look at how the Bills defend it, but kept their rhythm and were a productive offense. It's like Tony and Rex have said over and over -- how much they use it will depend on how well its defended. But in order to find that out each game, you try it early, see what they're doing, what they're selling out against.
This is fair. I get what you are saying. I don't mind them testing the waters early in the game like they did yesterday I just think once the Mark Sanchez was getting into his rhythm and playing very well that it wasn't necessary to dip into the wildcat.. Even though in my post I appeared to say only run it when the offense is sputtering I don't all the way mean that. You are right they should run it from time to time early just to see how the defense reacts and see whats working best. But the way this game played out the offense was just fine so I don't think they needed to use the wildcat as much as they did in the 2nd,3rd, 4th quarters... I recognize that every game isn't going to be like sunday though and they might sputter in those other quarters.. that's more what I mean by using the wildcat when the regular offense sputters. I think the "hot hand" idea that they talked about in the offseason could be a good idea, but it didn't appear to be what they subscribed too yesterday. If they did, Tebow wouldn't have seen a snap at QB after the first quarter. I don't know off hand how many plays Tebow got at QB but lets say it was 15. They gave Tebow 15 plays no matter what without factoring in that Sanchez had the hot hand. All in all though I really don't have any complaints about the offense - how could I they are no. 1 ! Just some observations that I see and that when the dog days of the season hit that the Jets might reconsider.
Difficulty from the outside is that they might have a number of different reasons to bring in a WC play at different times. One reason might be just to see how the D reacts. Another might be to try and dictate the D's personnel grouping. Another might be that Sparano wants an "extra time out" time with Sanchez. It might be coincidence, but 2 of Sanchez's TD passes came immediately after Tebow ran wildcat plays. Will have to watch the game tape to see if Sanchez was over on the sideline conferring with the coaches while Tebow was in doing what he did.
9 plays on offense, 8 of those at qb. I think what they were doings fine, they used Tebow as a distraction as much as a weapon. Sanchez seems to believe in what they have planned, I say let this play out a few more games before rushing to judgement. As far as Backup QB's statement: let it go man, Tebow is playing and helping, if you're going to freak because Tim wants to help his team win... You're not much of a fan then.
Post like these are part of the reason that the general population calls Tebow fans crazy. Granted its only you but now everyone will associate it with every Tebow fan as if we all said it. worrying about Tebow's brand is ridiculous , he is a professional football player tasked with helping his team in anyway he can and he gets paid A LOT of money to do it. His selflessness in doing whatever the jets want is contagious in the locker room. I know everyone will laugh and not give any credence to the fact that tebow is a calming presence in a locker room even if the media is going bat s*** crazy around them but I feel Its a great thing and a tribute to him.
We are not in the locker room so we will never know sounds a bit ridiculous though. I have not been a big Tebow supporter at QB but I he will win a game or two for the Jets this year.
Tebow as a change-of-pace for a play here and there isn't all that bad an idea. We can't really judge how they plan to use him based on Sunday's game though. Blowouts always have different rules than competitive games. I'd have been really unhappy with them bringing Tebow in on the 6 yard line if the result of the drive was going to be crucial though. There needs to be one guy who is completely accountable for the big play situations. One other thing: I really think the Jets should have given Tebow the ball for the 4th quarter, maybe as early as mid 3rd. there's no point at all in risking a Sanchez injury with the Jets up by that much and in running the clock down mode. I had this funny thought about halfway through the 4th that maybe the Jets didn't bring Tebow in to mop up because they didn't want to give people film to work with. If that's true then they made a mistake. They should have had the backup QB in with a 34 pts lead and a quarter and a half to go. This is why having a gimmick as the backup is maybe not such a great idea. I'd have been happier with McElroy in the game than Sanchez at that point. All it takes is one bad break and the Jet's season could go down the tubes. Letting Sanchez stay in in a blowout is inviting that break.
Reporter (difficult to hear): How anxious are you to actually throw a pass? Tebow: Not at all. I'm just anxious to keep winning games.
Champ Bailey, Brian Dawkins (both future hall of famers) Von MIller , Decker etc all went on record stating (Im paraphrasing from many quotes and articles) that Tebow made the Denver locker room gel, that the team was given a spark by him and did work and play harder and he did make a difference outside of the football field that translated inside the lines . So there is plenty of proof Tebow has intangibles you choose to take shots and continue to be negative because you hate the guy and cant stand that he has fans. here listen to your legendary special teams coach who rarely gives praise (hey but what the heck does he know right?): http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/15128/tebow-one-of-westhoffs-favorites To Mike Westhoff, Tim Tebow invokes memories of Dan Marino. No, not as a quarterback. But in terms of what the Jets special teams coach sees from Tebow as a person, not just on the football field. "To me he's one of those guys that takes what he does and does it 100 percent and doesn't ask anything else out of it," Westhoff said on Thursday. "He's one of those guys that you hoped what he would be off the field, he is in my opinion; (seeing him) in my meetings. I used to say that about Dan. What you would hope (for)." "Tim's one of my favorite guys. I go back my whole career and there are certain individuals that you just really like but then I also have this tremendous respect for him," Westhoff said. "I watch how hard he works, how hard he studies, I've never heard him make an excuse. Ever. Not even an inkling of one. I know him actually personally really well and I don't always get to do that." Westhoff praised Tebow for being able to make a mistake and then be the first to get right back in there. He added Tebow is appreciative of people recognizing what he's been able to accomplish and he hasn't seen Tebow change despite the popularity. "I just can't say enough about him. The things that I like. I really enjoy being around him," Westhoff said. "He's one of my favorite guys. I have so much respect for how he plays the game and how he works and how he prepares
Meh, we don't know because we aren't there, but it's not like you hear his teammates talking shit about him either. There are enough really important players on record that he's a great teammate that you have to start from the position that its true. The unfortunate thing is that because its his "intangibles" as opposed to his actual talent, that gets everyone fired up, its hard to say objectively what his impact is. I'll say this, and this is just me, if I were Sanchez and was reading today that the reason I was damn-near perfect yesterday wasn't because I'm the king dog, ass kicking, gun slinging, starlet banging baller that I know I am, but because some mutant jesus freak has a good influence over me, I'd be pissed. But as a Jet fan, worrying about who gets credit for the success is pretty low on my list, I just want to see the success.
http://deadspin.com/5941872/maybe-the-jets-really-are-not-planning-on-using-tim-tebow-at-quarterback "As much as the Jets insisted throughout training camp and the pre-season that there was no quarterback controversy ("Mark is our starting quarterback") is it possible they were telling the truth? Did the Jets decide sometime a few weeks ago that Tim Tebow was actually going to be exclusively a running back/Wildcat coordinator/football player at-large instead of seriously threatening Mark Sanchez's job?" Just change "sometime a few weeks ago" to "when they acquired him"
I would agree with Mark being pissed, but my guess is it will be directed at the media, not at Tebow, by all accounts those two are pretty friendly and I hope it stays that way, friendly rivalries bring out the best in all involved
