Brainlessly bash former Jet employee, Brian Schottenheimer

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  1. ThunderbirdJet

    ThunderbirdJet New Member

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    Not necessarily. Hunter is an awful, even putrid RT, but he did play well enough as the jumbo, and maybe that is the role Schotty has in mind for him. Let me also ask, would you blame the departed OC for going into this season with Hunter at RT too?

    Keeping Hunter at RT IS an indictment, but not of Schottenhiemer.
     
  2. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    I love Schottenheimer. I mean it. I'm dead serious!

    Thank you, Schotty! May you have long and prosperous career as an offensive coordinator!

    P.S. Before I forget: if Jets get a trash player, do pick him up. I loved your input in that god fucking awful WFH trade.
     
  3. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Schotty is a dreamer. For 6 years he ran an offensive system that did not produce a lot when it was in it's intended form. Then he'd get forced off the dreamscape and into reality by the need to maintain coherency and the Jets would run the ball - a LOT.

    I still can't tell you after 6 years of Schotty's offense, and 4 QB's running it, what exactly it was supposed to do. There was a lot of pre-snap motion. There was a very standardized personnel package with at least 1 back, 2 WR's and a TE. There was a mix of shotgun and under-center play.

    What there wasn't though was a coherent plan that emerged from all of that. The Jets had no identity on offense except when Schotty got forced into the Ground and Pound.

    Schotty's defenders blame this on the QB's mostly. Chad wasn't good enough to run the system and he was injury-prone, one of those criticisms right on target and the other less so. Favre was too enamored of the WCO to learn something new at 39 - well that one is dead on. Clemens had no talent and was shaky in the pocket. Sanchez has talent but is shaky in the pocket. I wonder what they'll blame Sam Bradford for when the system fails in St. Louis.

    I'm pretty sure I know what the problem is. Schotty just doesn't have a very good system and for all of his effort to install it most of the players who play in it can't prosper and as a result they get replaced, leading to another learning curve against a system that is hard to learn.

    It's kind of like a Rube Goldberg machine of an offense. The problem is that you're better off with simplicity and execution on the football field. Watching all of these curly-Q's and marble drops is sort of entertaining but not ultimately satisfying in terms of results.
     
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  4. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    1. Frankly, I don't care any more. The past is past. I am willing to sweep the whole thing under the rug.

    2. That said, HE MUST HAVE HAD A HAND IN WFH TRADE. THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS. I LOVE YOU, SCHOTTENHEIMER!

    3. Before I forget: Rams offense will fail. Hard. Mark my words. (I've been saying this for some time, I think?)

    4. On the pre-snap motions: Either the defense saw through the pre-snap motion to not allow any favorable mismatch (that's what the motions are for in Coryell offense) or Schottenheimer has no fucking idea how to use the man in motion to force the favorable match up. I am willing to bet it is both actually, but that will be another story for another day.
     
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  5. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    I think the pre-snap movement was to help the QB identify the patterns he would be reading right after the snap. Moving a receiver either moves the coverage (man-to-man) or not (zone). That kind of thing.
     
  6. al_toon_88

    al_toon_88 Well-Known Member

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    Remember when we were bashing management for looking at Dirk Koetter as a possible Schotty replacement?

    It's only preseason, but the Falcons offense looks unstoppable.
     
  7. Zach

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    Provided the QB is smart enough, you can 1. figure out the defensive coverage and 2. force favorable match-up by moving guys around. (i.e. by moving the TE from flex position to the split end position, while the split end takes a few steps back, etc.) Yes, figuring the coverage is one thing of course, but that's not all pre-snap motion has to offer; Coryell was an extremely aggressive guy, and he wanted to make sure the defense had to cover every inch of the field, regardless of depth or width.
     
  8. HAYN

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    Schotty's offense was too predictable. My 2 year old son could figure it out. Srs.
     
  9. GordonGecko

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    Look pa-pa, green team need 8 yard on three down, shitty gonna make bad 5 yard pass happen!! look! look!
     
  10. Bellows1

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    :rofl2: priceless.
     
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    I guess Schotty figured he owed us after last season. I can't imagine anybody actually requesting a trade for Hunter, especially if you're a coach that witnessed his failures first hand.
     
  12. JetsKickAss

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    And if Bradford lights it up.......????????????
     
  13. Zach

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    I will win Powerball Jackpot 10 times before that happens.
     
  14. Zach

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    Schotty's offense steamrolling the mighty B'more defense. 21-0. I am impressed.

    Candidate for Coach of the Preseason Wk. 4?
     
  15. nyjunc

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    The most important thing Schottenheimer had to do was get Sam Bradford ready to go again, Sam looked good this preseason.
     
  16. Brunell's Debt

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    I disagree, the most important thing Schotty has to do is keep Bradford upright.
     
  17. Zach

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    And he sucked at it except in Game 2, the game against the dreaded Chefs. (Game 4 doesn't count, junc.)
     
  18. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I think Bradford regained some lost confidence which is a good thing. All that really matters in preseason is good health(which is why I loved our preseason) but SL has to be feeling pretty good about Bradford right now.
     
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    Why did Schotty succeed with Bradford and not with Sanchez?
     
  20. xxedge72x

    xxedge72x 2018 Gang Green QB Guru Award Winner

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    Ask that question at the end of the season rather than before even a single real game has been played.

    Further, Schotty did have success with Sanchez... that wasn't the issue. The issue with Schotty was the underwhelming return on the talent investment the Jets have made under the six years they've had him. The Schotty offense typically played under its talent level rather than over.

    This was subjective in accordance with the level of talent. If Schotty had a particularly good offense, then he got good results, but not as good as you'd hope for. That was about the only consistent in the Schotty offense.
     

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