Food for thought... Here is the production of QB's Matt Safford, Matt Ryan, Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco, Sam Bradford, Andy Dalton, and Cam Newton's first 16 starts averaged out: Yards: 3,155 TDs: 16 INTs: 15 Rating: 77.2 Wins: 8 Here are Tebow's numbers in his first 16 starts (includes playoffs): Yards: 2,835 TDs: 19 INTs: 9 Rating: 76.8 Wins: 9 These numbers don't include rushing numbers, in which Tebow would blow everone away with the exception of Cam Newton. So for a guy making his first 16 starts, the numbers simply don't reflect him being so sub-par compared to the other young QB's...
***Edit*** The numbers I used for Matt Stafford included his first 2 seasons, which I thought was 16 games, but after looking, I realized it was only 13 games...So the averages are off just a bit. (But a sample of 112 games vs 109 games shouldn't throw the averages off too much).
Tebow did start 3 of those games as a rookie...regardless, that's why I used the term first 16 starts...
Tebow playbook two...use Tebow's only 16 starts...You know, the only real evidence we have to go on other than speculation...
I'd like to see comparison of the exact same 16 starts. Take a player who, even if he played his rookie year... only compare the same 3 games in year one that tebow played to the 13 games Tebow played his 2nd year. This would give a CLEAR advantage to the person your comparing Tebow too since they would have plenty of games leading up to Tebow's first 3 starts and 5 more games leading up to when Tebow took over again. If those numbers are comparable... then you have a very valid argument. I have no idea if this is the case or not, but would be interesting to see and would get rid of the argument haters use that your comparing rookie to non rookie stats.
I think it's empty because there's not much of an argument... When you take speculation out and merely present facts that tends to happen, I guess.
There isn't a stat you can show me that will give me confidence with Tim Tebow as my starting Quarterback. Take one fuckin look at the guy reading the defense and you know he's a project. His performance vs Carolina was fucking asinine. At least the INT was spiraled.
Lol...to each his own...but the results just don't support your subjective eyeball test. You do realize his performance against Carolina isn't the type of offense he would be running in a real game, don't you? The guy's strengths plays to a much different style than the one he has been running this preseason...And the numbers reflect that he got similar production running his unconventional style as the other young QB's got running an offense suited to their strengths. Just shows there is more than one way to skin a cat... That's all the anti-Tebow camp has to go on...Speculation and meaningless games/practices...When the lights are on in real games and the team runs a style of offense catered to his strengths, he has performed just as well as his peers, despite your preconcieved notions of what a QB should be.
Do we need to pull out charts that support Sanchez in the playoffs compared to elites or will you only wrap your head around a tree?
What exactly are you trying to show, other than that you have too much time on your hands... Tebow, playing in a college offense that was dumbed down and structured completely for his strengths, to the detriment of his teammates strengths, was able to produce numbers comparable to other young NFL QBs... okay??
So are Aaron Rodgers first sixteen starts the same as a rookie started the answer is no. Time in the NFL starting or not matters. A more valid comparison. Is number of years in the league. Either way Tebow is a runner not a thrower running Qbs dont last in the NFL. Throw whatever stats you want upTebow does not pass the eye test. He can't throw accurately or on time . He made a good and exciting run last year but he came back down to reality you can't suck for three and half quarters and make crazy comebacks every week. That is why the Broncos (not Tebow) won and lost those games and why the Broncos did not think they could win with him long term. He played a great game against the banged up number 1 defense in the league then preceded to have one one worst performances in history of the playoffs against the worst defense in hate league. The Broncos lost their last three games and where 1-4 their last five. Tebow played a big role in some of the wins others not so much. He also had a big role in some of losses others not so much. W/L is a bad judge of Qb with so few starts Tebow did not carry the Broncos and Sanchez has not carried the Jets. If you just go off of wins Sanchez should be a pro bowler he is not nor should he be. Tebow can run great how many running Qbs make it long term In the NFL? How many run heavy Qbs stay healthy? How many run heavy Qbs have won a Superbowl? I'll answer for you ZERO.
Big deal...The Giants lost 4 games in a row at one point last season too...Does that mean they were figured out? Teams go through losing streaks sometimes...That's not inane to Tebow.
I think what they are saying is that no matter how you tweak the numbers, he does not (nor most likely will he ever) look like a capable NFL QB. I disagree with that notion, but I can see why they think that. The other issue is that all we (the fans) have to go on is speculation and some game film of him making miraculous plays to save the day. Please don't be a homer and bring up college, it does not translate. (this is for everyone, not just FakeSpike) He has a role on the Jets, take it for what it is and enjoy the ride. If he does well he will get his shot at a team that really wants him as the starter.
