Did Von Miller throw that first touchdown? Did Elvis Dumervil throw the 2nd one? Did Matt Prater get that rushing touchdown? Did Tim Tebow give up 17 second half points and nearly give the game away? Did Tim Tebow fumble the ball in the 4th quarter on the Bronco side of the field and nearly give the game away? Did Tim Tebow drop an easy interception of Big Ben in the end zone and nearly give the game away? For starters, I don't recall Matt Leinart ever leading his team to the playoffs. Secondly, you have revealed here the real root of your criticism. It stems not from football but from just plain 'ol garden variety, anti-Christian bigotry. Thanks for letting us all know from where your argument against Tim Tebow starts. Don't feel alone, there are plenty of other Tebow haters who are in exactly the same boat, although most of them probably wouldn't have dropped their pants quite so obviously as you just did. Coming from a guy whose username is a bizarre and disgusting sexual fetish, no real great surprise I suppose. There are a lot of QB's who have had the better QB "looks", far and away, than Tim Tebow....and a lot of them have been total and complete NFL busts. Mark Sanchez has a 59% NFL career winning percentage as the full time starter for 3 full NFL seasons. Tim Tebow has a 56% NFL career winning percentage as the full time starter for zero full NFL seasons. He also has never had the benefit of getting all the first team snaps in any training camp since he entered the NFL, nor of playing with the first teamers in pre-season. And despite all that, his winning percentage in the NFL is nearly as good as a top 5 pick who was handed the starters job from day one and every advantage that came along with it, including a top 5 defense in the league for several of those years. If I'm Tebow, I'm feeling pretty good about my record so far. Oh, and, by the way, Tebow wins the head-to-head record. So then I guess Tebow probably takes a lot more sacks than Sanchez, huh? That's funny, because Tebow was sacked an average of 2.35 times per game in 2011. Sanchez was sacked an average of 2.43 times per game in 2011. So, that 1/10th of a second faster release of Mark Sanchez actually resulted in him getting sacked....more times last year than Tebow? Good stat, thanks, you really proved your point.
No but Matt Prater was the one who kicked and made 2 50 yard field goals in the same game. Also the defense for stripping Marion Barber. And Marion Barber for going out of bounds. The defense for stripping Miami in overtime. The defense for Sanchez's pick 6. The missed Jimmy Leonard tackle in the EZ o that winning drive. The defense that held teams to 17 ppt in Tebow's wins. The ST that returned a kickoff or punt against SD. The defense that held KC to 7 points. It's pretty easy to see that Tebow had help. Trying to deny that is ridiculous. Tebow played bad at times and streaks in his winning streak, but the team around could keep games close and then Tebow put together some terrific drives to win games. To ignore the fact that for most of the games the defense/ST kept the games to one possession and allowed Tebow to get the ball back one more time is terrible. It is a team sport.
I have never said that Tebow did it all by his lonesome, but he was the leader of the team. The haters would like to make out like the defense did it all by their lonesome, or to explain all of Denver's success last year away as pure, dumb luck, both notions which are equally absurd.
"So then I guess Tebow probably takes a lot more sacks than Sanchez, huh? That's funny, because Tebow was sacked an average of 2.35 times per game in 2011. Sanchez was sacked an average of 2.43 times per game in 2011. So, that 1/10th of a second faster release of Mark Sanchez actually resulted in him getting sacked....more times last year than Tebow? Good stat, thanks, you really proved your point." i'm sure you've heard of a guy named wayne hunter right? do you also remember that nick mangold was out as well? how well did brick do last season? how would tebow do if was behind that line last season? how many times would sanchez have been sacked if he released the ball the same time as tebow did.
A lot of people say the defense and mention the defense a lot because a lot of high profile media people and sports "experts" (Bayless etc) say the defense was terrible last year which is completely untrue and false. The defense did a lot, probably played better than Tebow since they did what they did longer. Tebow definitely gets credit, but it silly when people try to build up Tebow by discrediting the defense/ST and it is just a silly when people tear down Tebow by discrediting his late drives and good plays. The Broncos caught a LOT of breaks and turned it into a playoff game proving "any given Sunday". Think about this, the Jets lost the last 3 games of the season. The Broncos lost the last 3 games of the season. The Jets missed the playoffs. The Broncos won their division and got a home playoff game against a 12-4 team. So the Broncos won their division by losing their last 3 games of the season. They tied two other teams in their division but won the tiebreaker after division record. That's a lot of breaks. Also consider 8 teams went 8-8 or better and missed the playoffs while the Broncos did this and got a home playoff game. What I wrote in the above paragraph is not related to to Tebow at all, just that the Broncos got lucky to play in the worst division in football last year. Just like when Seattle beat NO two years ago in the playoffs. They got very lucky to make the playoffs and they took advantage of their HF advantage.
You are absolutely correct - it is a team game. I just get tired of people arguing that the Broncos won those games in spite of Tebow. I also get tired of hearing about every play that helped cause the other team to lose. Like that doesn't happen in every game in the NFL. There is one thing that is clear - the Broncos were the WORST team in the NFL when Tebow was thrown in to start. The time Tebow was there they were 4-14 with Orton starting (a decent drop back passer) and 9-7 with Tebow starting including three starts at the end of his rookie season. The only thing that changed on the team besides Tebow was the Broncos traded there best offensive weapon and put in Demaruis Thomas who had hardly practiced or played in over a year. It is a team game and the whole team participated in the wins and loses but they were clearly a better team with Tebow starting whether you or anyone else wants to believe otherwise.
I'm not disagreeing with any of that. They didn't win in spite of Tebow just like Tebow didn't win in spite of the defense and etc. My above post was referring to the luck factor. The Broncos and since Tebow was a Bronco then got extremely lucky last year. If you extend past last year, they made the playoffs and won a playoff game and then ended up with one the best QB's of our generation on their team. They got lucky and caught breaks.
Yup - and I think if Manning stays healthy they will be even better this year. They have filled some other areas of need that had been ignored in the past couple of years.
Quit making excuses. You're the one who offered up that statistic as significant, not me. You said Tebow's longer release would result in more sacks. It didn't. Now that you know that, you want to modify your measuring stick. You think Tebow was playing behind an all-pro offensive line in Denver? Think again. Denver's defense was darn good in some games, and absolutely putrid in others. For the year, I believe they were ranked somewhere between 20-25th best defense in the league. That is not even average, much less great. They gave up 5 touchdowns in the first half to Tom Brady in the playoffs. They gave up 32 points to the worst team on their schedule, the 3-13 Vikings, piloted by a rookie QB. Every team gets lucky and catches breaks. Some catch more "breaks" than others. "Luck" is just the intersection of preparation and opportunity. A "fluke" might happen once, but not again, and again, and again like it did last year, and always in the same way, too, with the Broncos unleashing Tebow in the last few minutes of the game and him rising to the challenge and taking the team down the field for scores.
1-4 0-3 Backed into the playoffs Do all the blind Tebow followers read the same talking points? Oh yeah they are Gator fans then yes. Let me see if I have talking points now 1. Talk about starts not how long in the NFL 2. Complete % does not matter he has a unique skill set 3. He is getting better 4. He is a great leader 5. Bring up college passing when proven he can't throw Did I get all of them All wait 6. He did not get first team snaps 7. She he learns how to throw he will be great he just needs 10 years
Sanchez has passed the 50 yard line how many times in 15 drives? The Jets are the only team in THIRTY FIVE YEARS to not have ascored a TD in pre season through 3 games. pretend Tebow does not exist, I am granting you Tebow sucks BIG TIME this pre season . Can you please get past that point and get a reality check? Sporano's offense is a joke, he better have something else and BIG TIME if the jets are going to win more than 5 games this year. Forget about the silly "Sanchez is better waa, waa, waa" its hit the panic button time for the team , specifically the offense.
Blind tebow followers? you mean fans of the guy? No one on here thinks Tebow is better than Sanchez or he should start over Sanchez. So cut the crap talk about "tebots" and "tebow followers " its getting old .
Being a Tebow fan is like rooting for Brian Scalabrine. Sent from my VS840 4G using Tapatalk 2 Beta-5
Yes and like you said also denying Tebow had nothing to do with the wins is equally ridiculous , which is something people do on here for sport. He had 191 yards passing an a TD in 8 minutes in that game and everyone talks about Prater's field goals.
Scalabrine was the second leading scorer (40% from 3pt) and rebounder in the Pac 10 his senior year of college. Made it to the finals three times and has a championship ring. All he does is win! Hes been on the 01-04 nets, the 05-09 celtics, and the 10-11 bulls. ALL PLAYOFF CALIBER TEAMS. He makes everyone around him better. Sounds like someone had a better career so far. Sent from my VS840 4G using Tapatalk 2 Beta-5
Scalabrine has a lot of fans and DID contribute on all his teams , I am not even sure why you are ripping him.
I'm using the same logic that tebots use dude. I don't think you're that guilty of using that logic tbh, but a lot of tebots do use that airtight logic. Sent from my VS840 4G using Tapatalk 2 Beta-5
Yes he is then he just makes a couple post saying Sanchez is better now then proceeds to go through Tebow talking points. He is the worst one because he attempts to disguise himself. The thing that jets fans hate about Tebow fans is that they are Tebow fans not jet fans. They could careless how the jets do as long as tebow plays. They so badly want want tebow to be a good qb nothing else matters and it is never his fault. Foxs offense or his receivers whatever excuse they make. Watch him play he is what we thought he was he was not gotten any better so far statistically he has gotten worse. At least the clemmons supporters were jets fan. Stop with idiotic stats and talking points and watch him play. Judge him as you would any other NFL QB without the special Tebow rules then lets talk.
