Rex is a mixed bag. In the past no matter how well intentioned his talking to motivate the team (especially the superbowl talk) it made him look like a buffoon. It's one thing to be confident and talk tough in the locker room it's another to make empty boasts to the media. I do like Rex's style better than a brooding Mangini but at the end of the day it comes down to winning. At the end of last season I felt he lost control and respect of the team, I'm glad he has tone down his rhetoric. You could also take it as a bad sign that he knows the team has serious problems so he's keeping his mouth shut. My other criticism is he still acts too much like a defensive coordinator and not a head coach. The offense has suffered for it and it has created friction between the two. Like the defense is Rex's baby that he enjoys talking about in post game interviews. If the offense regresses further and they have loosing season I'd say he'd be on very thin ice for next season.
You are right, I need to be more mature. Thanks for the perspective, seriously. I understand what you are saying about Rex, he has done a lot of good. Personally, I am not a fan of the bravado he displayed early on, and I do agree he has toned it way down. I do hope he turns it around this year and has a successful year, and learns from his mistakes. As much as I don't think he will ever be a great HC, I hope I am wrong, and the franchise desperately needs some stability. I am not a fan at all of bringing in Sparano, and to me it was a sign that Rex just does not want to be involved with the offense. I think he just wants an offense that won't lose games. I think that NFL has passed, and the league today is just to offense friendly. Even in the 11-5 season, every game was down to the last second, and needed a big play. I don't think you can win big in this league like that anymore, you need a margin for error. Again, I hope I am wrong, because I don't want to see Sanchez and Rex gone and have to start over.
I agree with your point that the NFL favors offense and passing, to which Rex doesn't know much about, deferring to his offensive coordinator. I also don't think he is HC material. He seems to think he is still with the Ravens, the Jets don't have the same type of personnel.
Please trust me -- I understand your frustration. Time in and time out I think every game: "how bad will our offense be this year". And that DOES reflect on our head coach. But the difference between you and me is I think he has the ability to adapt and become a FULL head coach and not just a DC, and you don't. I understand what you're saying, the 2010 season, we were easily a few plays from 8-8. But I DO honestly believe Rex was responsible for pushing his team that extra inch, that do or die survival mentality.. I could be wrong and it could have been a fluke but they've come back so many times, I do think he's a great motivator, obviously a great coach at defensee, and I think it's taking him a while to learn how to properly control the offensive side of the ball. I view it as coaches such as Rex, and even oustanding offensive coaches, just have a special vision that enables them to so uniquely understand the side of the ball. All in all, I don't want to see Rex gone, I truly believe he's a great face for our franchise, and the potential to be an iconic legend if he does win the SB. Short of the legend coaches, I truly wouldn't want anyone else coaching my team than Rex Ryan. But at the end of the day, i fthey do get rid of him, My allegiance is only to the Jets, but god damn if I don't appreciate Rex.
And just when you starting to show some respect, opinions are alot like arse-holes ,everybody has one. Live and learn my friend.
rex is not to blame checkout the front office.bradway is still the man who makes mistakes.why they keep him is beyond me.
If Bill Parcells didn't have his reputation, people would call him fading after 3 years, and people would destroy him for not having a backup QB in 1999, or not having the acumen to realize Ray Lucas gave the Jets the best chance to win. I never understand how you have to get rid of coaches so quickly in this league. If we go 2-14 this year, yeah, I understand, but I don't think Rex is on the hot seat at all. Far from it. Nor should he be, barring a disaster.
Bill Parcells is the definition of fading at this point. He never stays with a team for more than a few years. He's strictly a turnaround artist and then he's going to be gone. Unfortunately, the Jets were the first team he took on in that manner. Super Bowls are won by coaches in their first few years with a team. That's a lasting truth with occasional exceptions. If you look at the last 20 Super Bowls, all the Super Bowls of the free agency/cap era there are only a few coaches who have taken as long as 5 seasons to win a Super Bowl. Mike Mccarthy took 5. Tony Dungy took 5. Bill Cowher took 14 years to win one but he got the team to a Super Bowl in 4 years and they played at a pretty high level for most of the time. Rex probably shouldn't be on the hot seat barring a total collapse of the team this year but he really doesn't have much longer to get the Jets to a Super Bowl unless they're a pretty dominant team that keeps missing. Marvin Lewis may well win a Super Bowl with Cincinnati some day but that doesn't mean they wouldn't have been better off cutting and running several years ago.
Dallas did run BP out of town after 3 years saying the game had passed him by, even with his reputation. I am not sure I agree with their decision though. Especially since they went 5-10 the next 2 seasons. I want to point out as the OP I am not in favor of firing Rex ATM. I started this thread because I think Rex needs a vision for where he wants this team to go talent wise. He has a vision for the defense but the offense is still ground and pound even though we don’t really have the personnel for ground and pound. I don’t think we really had it last season either. Talent wise there is a lot of talk about Tanny’s dealings and I thought Rex needed to be included in that evaluation. And its preseason so there is not much else to do except debate and wait. That said let’s not pretend we have not called for a winning coaches job. We got rid of Mangini in 3 years. Two of them were winning seasons. Personally I agree with firing Mangini and think Rex is a better HC overall. But if we recall we wanted Mangini out because we thought he should have won the SB in 08 – or at least gone far into the playoffs. Not because we had bad records. We blamed every loss on him. Defense plays soft – “that’s Mangini’s fault”. Favre throws goofy INTs – “that’s Mangini’s fault”. Etc. The only real problem Mangini has was terrible social skills which lost him the locker room. And that’s the point – any coach that loses the locker room should be fired including Rex. I think this season will be more about “can Rex keep the team united in the face of hard times” then coming down to the Jets win loss record. Great leaders don’t let things fall apart during the tough patches. I few things I would like to see Rex improve on: -Learn the offense better. I mean really learn it. He doesn’t have to call the plays but know exactly what we are doing. From that he can better understand what the offense needs to get back to the ground and pound system that he wants. - Better clock management. Probably has to do with the above. We could stand to improve a lot in our clock management throughout the entire game. I hate it when the chips are on the line and we mismanage the clock. -Motivate the locker room and not the media. It seems he has taken steps in this department and that’s good. Big comments to the media are for rare occasions to motivate your own team. If you do it all the time it just becomes motivation for your opponents. Even if we are a great team - its better if they don’t see us coming.
True, while they are not exactly probowl players or even solid starters (yet?) I think I was a little quick to call our drafts "all defense".
Other than Sanchez, we have gone defense in the first round every year, so I wouldn't say you were way wrong.
Honestly, if anyone deserves to be fired, it's Tanny. Rex has taken a team that was underachieving and has attempted to turn it into a winner and has brought them to 2 AFC Championship games. Tanny has had so many miscues this season, it's ridiculous. Not bringing in Braylon who is looking GREAT in Seattle, not cutting Hunter before the 2.5 guaranteed kicked in, being passive when looking for a RT this season, barely doing anything to address WR depth after drafting Hill, signing the often injured Chaz Schilens. I can keep going on.
I really don't think this year was the problem. His past signings that put us so near the cap we have no room to look at anyone other than cheap, often damaged players. That's were he should be held accountable. Hunter... If Tanny was listening to Rex and the O-line coach, Hunter was ready for this years pro bowl. Maybe their private conversations were different, but publicly they both praised him.
Honestly, I think the Jets are convinced that Hunter has all the athletic ability to be a very good RT in this league. That's why they hyped him up all season: he's not that mentally tough. Things went south for him last year, and they picked up right where they left off this year. Eventually, they realized it wasn't going to work. There weren't a ton of RTs out there that made a lot of sense. There are ways the Jets could have improved RT, but it would have cost picks or more cap than they wanted to spend. Hyping up Hunter, hoping that confidence was a main part of the issue last year, ended up being their plan. It didn't work. I do think Tanny is more on the hot seat than Rex, that is true. Most of the elite teams in the NFL have elite quarterbacks. The Jets don't have that. You can blame Tannenbaum if you want for not fixing it, but if Sanchez ends up becoming that QB, you'll villify him for letting him go.
The issue with Sanchez is that the process of developing him has been so screwed up. There's no way Tannenbaum doesn't own the whole ball of wax with him at this point. 1. The WR's have been a chaotic plug and play mess. 2. The offensive line has been iffy recently. 3. The running game was allowed to deteriorate. 4. The QB coach kept his job despite Sanchez regression at the end of last season. 5. The offensive coordinator had to be told to change the offense repeatedly over Sanchez first few years. 6. Tannenbaum made the trade up and drafted Sanchez. That's ownership. Rex has said that he and Sanchez came in together and they're going to go out together. Well, I appreciate his reality-check on that but the guy who should go out the door with Sanchez if it comes to that is Tannenbaum. This is his Frankenstein we're dealing with and he shouldn't be able to push somebody else off the parapet for the angry villagers if that's what it comes too. He should jump himself.
This can be said about every player on the team. Rex won't speak negatively of a guy, that's why it was surprising he called at Kerley about a month ago.
True enough...but he could have told Tanny..."hey we're just shitting this guy, he really sucks". LOL They may of thought they could lay all the blame on Shotty, Hunter, Sanchez, Holmes... Get rid of Shotty and everything would work itself out. Hasn't worked out that way yet. I do think Shotty was a huge problem for us, but we have other issues to work out.
It's the NFL, there is turnover. I don't think Tannenbaum has done enough to surround Sanchez with continuity out wide, bringing in Plax and Mason last year was a failure, but until last year, he had a great OL and a great running game to rely on. 4 of the first 5 things you mentioned are only related to last season. You can't say the OL or running game was iffy in the first two seasons. Sanchez is absolutely Tannenbaum's responsibility. If he crashes and burns and so does the team, Tanny is in deep trouble, moreso than Rex. If Sanchez crashes and burns but the team still stays afloat thanks to the defense, there's a decision to be made about whether Tannenbaum should choose the next QB.
