How did Ken O'Brien do it?

This kind of argument is always ridiculous and laughable.

It's a team sport, dude. Learn the game.

 

Geez don't people around here even bother to keep track of the Giants??? Last season was an anomaly for them. They went most of the season getting their secondary settled, but they had the talent there by the end of the season. Everyone acts like only the Jets suffered with the short pre-season. The Giants did as well. By the time the Giants got to the end of the regular season, they had the talent to equal anyone.

Can't say that about last year's Jets.

Talking about the 9-7 record they had is in effect misleading.

 

Their secondary wasn't good, it was the pass rush that made them look good. When Tuck and Osi got healthy that transformed the team.

 

Hector was second string RB.

 

I think that's his point. :breakdance:

 

It's not like Kenny never threw it away. Let's not get carrried away here.

 

Oh. Heh. Very funny.

 

Yeah. But true, but true.

 

None of this has anything to do with my point, which is when you're that close you have a chance. The Giants did benefit from a Hail Mary vs Green Bay and two dropped punts to set them up in SF, anything can happen when you get that close and it's single-elimination.

Do you think they were any better than the 11-5 Jets team the year before who knocked off Manning's Colts and Brady's Pats on the road in the playoffs in consecutive weeks? If the Steelers would have been kind enough to leave that game on the field like the Niners did we'd have made the Super Bowl too.

 

you are making a ton of sense today Seafood

 

Good teams create their own luck.

You need for there to be an opportunity for luck to occur. You don't have that opportunity if you're not good enough to make the playoffs.

 

I am sorry if I misinterpreted your previous posts. I thought you were implying that the Giants were as of the end of the season no better than your average 9-7 team. My point was their record was a poor indicator of the level of talent they had, as the record was affected by problems getting their secondary to play well, even though all along they had invested a lot of high picks back there.

 

Thanks, no, I was saying the exact opposite. Regardless of record or seed, if you get that close and you're hot you have a chance. Our 2002 team was 9-7 but they got there from 2-5 and were hot going in, red hot. I felt like we had much more of a chance then than the years we went in at 10-6, like 2001, 2004 or 2006. Even the first Rex/Sanchez year, again 9-7 but on a roll from 4-6 and we did some damage.

 

That Colts playoff game was the only time in my life where I knew deep down in my bones that the jets would murder an opponent...and they did. Their receivers had no chance on that disgusting sod.

Raiders game was the first chink in chads armor. Before that we had the next montana. We had it 10-10 at the half before the wheels came off

 

I remember sitting in the crowd watching Manning doing all his pre-snap running around and pointing in the face of the wind and the noise, thinking "this shit is never going to work". For that day at least I was right. He did struggle a lot on the road with that, needed to be in that living room dome for it to work.

 

He faced the great Bear's defense one more time than Sanchez did.

 

Ken O'Brien was a big, strong, quarterback; well built, and he could take a hit. He was fearless in the pocket. He knew that if he held the ball just long enough, Walker or Toon would find a way to get open for a big gain. A very underrated QB in my opinion.

 

Well, that settles it then. By the way, we lost that game 19-6 at home.

 

I love Al Toon (see my user name), but I don't know how you could argue anybody was better than Don Maynard at WR.

 

Most of us never saw Maynard. Can't speak for him but he probably never thought of it.