I am definitely not making O'Brien not making O'Brien out to be more than he was. The comparison with Sanchez is interesting. The biggest fear is this: I know I will sound too much like Champ 69, but if Mark Sanchez doesn't get us a championship, then 25 years from now we will be referring to him as a footnote in jet history in the same vein as Ken O'Brien and nothing more.
Yes, a lot happened after that. Because a lot of people resented Gastineau it was made a bigger deal, and it did bail Cleveland out of a hole, but it didn't by itself decide the game. Far from it.
can we give him some time? he's only played 3 seasons and already has double the amount of postseason wins of any other QB in jets history.
If Mark Sanchez doesn't get us a championship I'm guessing that it's about 20 years before we're in real position to get one. We might luck into one somewhere along the way but the Jets only play like a great team about once every 15 years and then only for a season at the most. My big fear is that 2010, followed 1998, followed 1986, followed 1969 and the next chance we're likely to get is 2025. This isn't hyperbole, luck is the residue of design and the Jets rarely exhibit anythng like excellent design. Right now they look like they're building with their eyes shut.
That's the fear with anyone. But if you go through your life as a Jet fan you live for the moments you do get, even if there is no Super Bowl in there. Most of us can and will distinguish Vinny, O'Brien or Chad--or even Sanchez already--with some great moments along the way, much different than a Neil O'Donnell or Boomer.
We had chances in 1982 and 86 with the same basic group, then 1998, then 2002 and 04 with the same group, then 2009 and 10. I'm defining "chance" by being within two wins from the Super Bowl, in my mind that's an objective and accurate benchmark.
I hate to sound like Champ but two games from the Super Bowl now and then is pedestrian. If you're not playing in the conference championship then nothing you did during that season really matters much in the long run. In truth if you're not winning the Super Bowl nothing matters much but that does sound too much like Champ.
When you say "chance" it has to be defined somehow. We saw with the 9-7 Giants last year (now somehow the model organization in football) that if you get that close you have a chance. Green Bay and Pittsburgh also won as 6 seeds in recent memory as well. You can also make the case that the 1985 Patriots, 1994 Chargers or the 2000 Giants never really had a chance even though they were in the Super Bowl. Somewhere you have to have an objective line. I'm just disputing the notion that we only get a chance every 15 years, that hasn't been the case.
You forgot '82 and 2002 If that is the case then why did you list 1986 when we didn't make the title game and leave off '82 when we made it?
The difference is O'Brien got sacked because he was statue who couldn't move, while Mark gets sacked for a lack of protection.
Jets should of picked Marino! The Jets always think they can outsmart the draft nicks. The Jets routinely pick anybody other than who the fans think they should take. The few times the Jets picked the fan favorite it has worked out fairly well. Keyshawn comes to mind. Brickshaw. Revis. Those were the fan favorites. I don't remember too many other fan favorite picks by the Jets but I bet they worked out well! Namath. Rigging. Marvin Powell I think. Al Toon.
Ken O'Brien took a lot of sacks that other qb wouldn't have taken. He had slow feet, had a slow wind up and many times looked like he'd rather take the sack instead of throwing the ball away. Too many times he hung out his receivers by leading them right into defenders. With Kenny, there quite a few games where receivers took bigger hits than the qb. If Kenny could've played behind a dominant O-Line he would've picked apart any D. However, he's not a qb I can see getting it done under constant qb pressure. If Kenny played behind this current Jets O-Line, he'd be taking even more sacks than Sanchez. One thing he'd do better behind a crap line though is controlling the interceptions.
Really? I think Hector starts for sure, he is arguably as good as Holmes and I think at least this teams second best WR.
Walton told him he would be better off taking the sack then throwing an int, he used to get killed. By the way O'Brien was a very good QB, something Sanchez may never be.
Keep in mind that some of these sacks came against the likes of Lawrence Taylor, the Chicago Bears Superbowl team, or Bruce Smith. Let's not kid ourselves, he did take some big hits.
The entire NFL passed on Marino, he was not taken until pick 27. I will never understand the fixation with Marino. O'Brien was a good QB it is not like we selected Todd Blackledge. We could have taken Jerry Rice over Al Toon but this is rearely talked about. We could have taken Ed Reed over Bryan Thomas but you never hear about that one either. It's always Marino this and Marino that even though the guy never won a Superbowl either.
That's only applicable if the rush comes up so fast that O'Brien doesn't have time to react. In those cases, it is a valid strategy to take the sack & not risk the turnover. However, when O'Brien is sitting there going through all his receivers and seeing nobody open, I don't think Walton (or any sane coach) would approve to just stand there until you're sacked. edit: grammar.
Every QB takes big hits now and the majority were give ups and he only faced LT 3 times and LT never recorded a sack. He faced the great bears D in the 80s ONE time.
