The reason rankings are relevant is because they are a comparison vs his peers. On a low level you're right that the offense too made its contributions and without those contributions the Jets wouldn't have made the playoffs. I'm not arguing this though, the world isn't so black and white that its all or nothing. Obviously everyone has to play a role. Over time, the rankings show that the Schottenheimer led offense is average at best, less than average arguably, and needs a ton of help in order to have success. Without the Rex Ryan defense there is absolutely no shot our kid QB gets to 2 AFCCG.
I'm not saying he deserves all the blame, but he is at least partially responsible for calling a majority of pass plays at the 2 with the way Greene was running that entire drive. I don't even see how that is debatable.
They don't just show up at your door unless they are 35 or over. Normally you have to live with some growing pains along the way, and in our case we've managed to win a lot of games during that process. We have a guy at 25 with a good deal of experience, how about we give him 3 seconds to throw the ball and some NFL targets to throw to before we make any more bold declarations. Unless you know of a "top-tier" QB currently in his prime and looking for a job.
Don't be silly - if they aren't elite by year 3 they can never get better. Sanchez needs to make up for the turd at RT and mash unit WR corps in preseason games with vanilla play calling.
But each offense has different issues, what matters is how many games you win. As good as our Ds were you aren't getting that far w/o quality offense especially 2 straight years. In 2010 our O bailed out the D multiple times or we may not even have made the playoffs- at den, at Cle, at Det, Hou,... Do you know how hard it is to punch it in on that Pitt D? especially w/ that Stadium going nuts and the D amped up? we tried to run on 4th down and got stuffed. if we ran 4 timres and got stuffed 4 times then everyone would complain that we should have passed. The bottom line is we didn't execute.
I didn't think my post was that funny? After you reattach your ass and take a look at the absolute awful talent we had on O in 06 and with Pennington coming off a terrible injury and couldn't throw the ball either down the field or outside the hash marks our O actually did enough to take that team to the playoffs. Granted it didn't have the running game that Pennington had in Miami and granted Pennington didn't have his worst playoff performance every like he did in the playoffs in Miami once that running game was stopped but who cares as long as were just throwing shit out there. The Jets were arguably the best team in the NFL before Favre hurt his shoulder. Favre threw the ball 31 times in that game and we ran the ball 25 times but hey don't let the facts get in the way you're still looking for your ass.
No I don't see your point. I see a guy who totally cherry picked stats to make up a point that I don't buy. 2005 they guy had 29 INT's. 2010 the other year he wasn't healthy like 08 he had 11 TD's and 19 INT's. The Jets arguably had the best team in the NFL in 08 when Favre was healthy.
I agree with the bolded statement, so much so that I'm happy the Jets removed Schottenheimer and have my fingers crossed that Sparano is actually an upgrade. I would hardly call the Schottenheimer offense a quality offense. As for 2010, the offense often were late starters. Here is the quarter by quarter breakdown of scoring in each game you listed: DEN: 1) 0 2) 7 3) 3 4) 14 CLE: 1) 3 2) 14 3) 0 4) 3 OT) 6 DET: 1) 0 2) 10 3) 0 4) 10 HOU: 1) 3 2) 10 3) 7 4) 10 Average Points Scored Per Quarter: 1) 1.5 2) 10.25 3) 2.5 4) 9.25 So two out of the four quarters every game the Jets were mostly doing diddly poo. The defense definitely gave up some plays that year but considering how efficiently they were playing as a whole you could also argue the reason THEY were in those positions to begin with was because the offense wasn't showing up until the end. The offense was bailing itself out as much as it was bailing out the defense.
Taking the immediate body of work surrounding his year with the Jets is cherry picking? You would think I'm pointing to stats in 1999 to make a comparison. To your second point, again Schottenheimer's offense doesn't excel unless he has extroardinary talent, which in this case he did. Also, do you not remember that they adjusted the offense to tailor it specifically for Brett Favre? Brett Favre himself complained that he couldn't make presnap reads because of all the motion that the offense was doing. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/brett-favre-calls-new-plan-article-1.314487
I did get tired of all the useless shifting, all that did was get us a lot of 5-yard penalties. Let the Rams deal with that shit, the way we're looking now a 5-yard penalty is going to be a drive stopper.
I don't acre about score by qtr, they failed to perform against thos teams. Let's look at 2010: at Mia: we give D 14-0 lead, D blows then we trail 17-14. O has to score 31 pts to win against an average Miami offense. Minnesota: Moss' first game back w/ Minny, we give D 12-0 lead and 15-7 lead then after Minny gets w/in 15-13 the O scores a TD late to give us 22-13 lead. What does D do? allows Minny to score a Td in about a minute and have a chance. at den: allows Den to have their way w/ us all day, after Jets score TD to tie it at 17 w/ 8 1/2 to play what does our D do? allows Den to take off 4 mins and kick go ahead FG. O then scores TD to bail them out again. at Det: trailing by 10 w/ 4 mins left Sanchez leads O to 10 pts then we score on opneing drive of OT. at Cle: despite dominating TOP the D allows Colt McCoy to drive Cle to a late TD to tie it and send the game to OT. Hou: D given 23-7 lead, D blows lead and we trail 27-23 w/ under a minute, no timeouts from inside our 30 where sanchez leads a miraculous drive for the win. you can save me the average pts per qtr, the O rescued that D many times in 2010.
Fave played in one O for 16 years, he came to us w/ a month to go before the season. AGAIN, you aren't being fair.
I'm not disputing how it all went down. I'm arguing that a better offense with a better coach these situations don't come up nearly as often as they did that year. Again, the Jets defense was anti-clutch several times that year. But being anti-clutch meant giving up specific plays. On the whole they were fairly dominant with the exception of those specific instances you brought up. It's very easy to underrate the 2010 defense due to those specific plays. Going from 2010 to 2011 the only thing that changed about the offense was Braylon Edwards to Plaxico Burress (I'm not saying Hunter considering he started throughout the playoffs and earned his stay here through his performance in those games). Working with mostly the same talent barring one WR everything fell apart. Schotty's warts were exaggerated since the FO took away the one guy that could stretch the field and take the heat off Holmes. They also made a mistake in assuming Hunter would keep up his performance. This assumption was based on the fact that he should've gotten better under Schotty and Callahan, not worse which he did. Not only did he get worse but Ferguson too. For all the times the 2010 offense bailed out the defense, they more than made up for it in putting the 2011 defense into failing positions.
Extroardinary talent? Take a look at who Favre had as his WR the year before and the year after he was on the Jets. You think AP in the backfield in 09 might have made a difference. How about playing in a dome? In 06 we had crap talent on O, 07 we couldn't field an O that could compete in the ACC. You have to be kidding with this garbage.
Players make adjustments to new teams all the time. Being a veteran of the game he needed to pick up on terminology. Schotty's ass backwards scheme was so complicated that it was more than Favre can handle. While it is reasonable that they needed to slow things down for him, why do you feel that it is fair that if Favre couldn't handle it that somehow Sanchez should have? Sanchez came in here and struggled enormously at the beginning with the offense. Do you remember the red light green light they implemented? Schotty's offense is too convoluted. Sanchez was at his absolute best every time they toned down the offense.
Enough with Favre already. He didn't want to be here and mailed it in when the going got rough. We don't play in a dome and we've been better since he left.
Ouch. Patrick Daugherty @RotoPat Mark Sanchez's 4.7 YPA through 17 preseason attempts would have ranked 20th in *yards per carry* last season. Retweeted by Rotoworld Football
