If Fitz (according to you) is getting rid of the ball faster than any QB in the nfl, then that would suggest that most of his yards are due to throwing incredibly short dinky passes then having his receivers do all the work, gaining most of his yards after the catch. Which would then go to suggest that... he isnt a very good quarterback at all, and his positive numbers are significantly inflated due to his receivers carrying him. no ? Ill also mention he was 12th in passes of 20+ yards and 14th in passes of 40 + yards, which is odd how hes completing all these long passes while getting rid of the ball faster than any qb in the league
Dude. He is right, I think the number in his career, and the numbers are better now than 3 years ago, Fitz is something like 6 or 7th overall with an average release of 2.9 seconds. Your points speak to my original point that, if he throws more accurately he gets a ton better, he almost always picks the right guy to throw to, just misses a few times a game, sometimes with huge consequence.
Actually that link is just about sacks/adjusted sack rate. PFF, on the other hand, graded the Bills as having the second best pass pro line in the NFL and their work does account for how long the QB holds the ball relative to the total pressures. RF does get the ball out quickly and that helps, but still: Buffalo, however they did it, also had a really good pass blocking line last season -- better than the Jets, though the Jets weren't awful like some try to claim, but more average to decent.
If he is throwing the ball so quickly, why is he turning it over so much ? You dont throw deep or even mid range passes when youre getting rid of the ball faster than anyone And when youre throwing passes that short/quickly it means more of the works going on your receivers than you ? I think I read Fitz was like 29 of 36 qbs under pressure last year or something, so that OL, with a possible rookie LT. Could be a huge issue if its not as good as last year
Turnovers? Bad mechanics. I agree they have some questions on the O-Line, BUT with the exception of Bell at LT the line is the same. Last year we had arguably our best O-Line man Andy Levitre (G) playing center and LT. Injuries were bad. There are questions though for sure, while Hairston did pretty good at LT, not settled there at all as they drafted Cordy Glenn. The inside, if healthy is good, maybe real good and Fitz is not a happy feet QB, he steps up into the pocket which is where the strength is IMO-
The most significant thing I read was that Fitz has a system made to HIS skills while Sanchez was fitted into a frankenstein offense which only made sense in Schottys mind. Sanchez wins games. He still has a lot of upside and potential meanwhile Fitzpatrick is 30 and we’ve seen what he is. I would take Sanchez in a heartbeat over Fitzpatrick. This year Mark plays at a level to where he is clearly the 2nd best QB in the division.
First it was Sanchez vs. Henne and now it's Sanchez vs. Fitz. I guess they just need to make these comparisons every year since we all know that you can never compare Sanchez to Brady. Henne is now a backup to Blaine Gabbert (65.4 QB rating in 2011).
Well obviously a lot of variables factor in to how quickly a qb gets rid of ball. If Bell was at LT that week maybe you call plays that take longer to develop. Or if you are playing a team that has trouble getting to the qb. It's not like every play was designed to be snap and fire. Either way, I do not see how putting your receivers in position for YAC can actually be used as argument against the QB. I'd be more concerned if my qb completed a low percentage of passes despite rarely going deep.
Something like PFF's PBE stat is just the black and white "this many pressures, this many snaps" math, with no consideration to outside factors. The grades and rankings they do, however, attempt to account for how quickly a pressure happened and the nature of the situation in which it did. Which is not to say their work is absolute, because it's obviously not and it has flaws, but it's further evidence, that even if RF got the ball out quickly, his OL was also damn good. He wasn't making chicken soup out of chicken shit like Eli Manning did or Jay Cutler attempted to.
Part of the problem there would be sample size, since Fitz does get rid of the ball quickly a large percentage of the time. And he is obviously going to make a point of doing so against teams who can bring pressure, which puts his pass protectors in favorable situations much of the time. I can't imagine Hairston graded out well as a pass protector.
You do realize that it's not an either/or situation, right? Fitz can both get the ball out quickly and the offensive line can have put up a very good performance last season. Not that Fitz is even a hair on a pimple on Brees' ass as far as QBs go, but New Orleans' OL was very good in 2011's regular season and Brees gets the ball out quickly. One didn't wipe out the other. And Hairston graded out -8.0 overall and, because I don't want to give out paid content free, I'll just say his pass blocking grade specifically was negative too. Not Wayne Hunter/David Diehl/Sam Baker/Lance Louis level negative though.
Of course I realize that...but I also know my football team. The odds of scrap heap players (Urbik and Pears), a rookie, and and often out of position Levitre grading out so well are pretty slim without being aided by scheme. Sometimes you just have to go with your instincts and assume, all this equal at qb and scheme, that a line with Mangold and Ferguson is better.
LOL @ Bills fans actually pumping up Fitzharvard like he's some great QB. Dude is garbage and the Jets are going to eat him up again week 1.
Yes, the Bills had and have superior RBs. It's likely that Greene wouldn't even make the Bills, but as for the OL and WRs being "superior" ... :rofl: The Jets have Mangold and D'Brick. Who on the Bills OL is of equal stature? The only notable guys on the Bills OL last season were Levitre (LG) and Wood (C), and Wood went down about mid-season. The Jets' constant whining about Wayne Hunter is really funny to Bills fans because the Bills have been dealing with Hunter-like OTs on both sides of the line since our genius-in-residence personnel gurus, Brandon and Jauron, sent both our starting OTs packing in 2009 and didn't replace them. The OTs are looking much better for 2012, but that's because the Bills have drafted 3 in the last 2 drafts. As for "better receivers", aside from Stevie Johnson, who would that be exactly? Derek Hagan (FA)? Donald Jones (UDFA)? Ruvell Martin (FA)? David Nelson (UDFA)? Naaman Roosevelt (UDFA)? Brad Smith (FA)? Three UDFA kids from such football powerhouses as SUNY Buffalo and Youngstown State, 2 never weres, and a QB/WR the Jets let walk. Even Johnson was only a seventh rounder. Starting TE Scott Chandler was a FA pickup, but the rest of the TEs are pretty much blockers. That's NOT the kind of receiving corps that scares anybody.
This is why I can't take this guy seriously This shows me he's just looking at the stat sheet. fourth in yards b/c of trick plays, end arounds, wildcat. That doesn't help a QB w/ play action and our ground game was very inconsistent after the hot start by LT. LT/Greene in both seasons: 2010: 404-1680, 4.16 YPC 2011: 328-1334, 4.07 YPC less than 1 yd per carry difference. Our run game in 2010 was not great. LT first 5 games: 76-435, 5.7 YPC, 3 TDs LT last 11 games: 143-479, 3.3 YPC, 1 TD(in meaningless week 17 game) Sanchez had his best year, led us to all those comebacks w/ a mediocre run game but Cosell says we were 4th in rush yds and that's why Sanchez succeeded.
Ryan Fitzpatrick has never played a big game in his career, the closest one was in orchard Park vs. the Jets last year and he was brutally bad. Fitz does not compare to sanchez.
Actually, they didn't. Rex Ryan schemes defense. Chan Gailey schemes offense. Gailey's spread offense made the Bills OL look better in the run game because it literally spread out defenses to create holes for the RBs. Gailey's passing scheme used mostly three step drops, quick developing routes, and Fitz's ability to get the ball out fast to mask the fact that the Bills OTs were mediocre on their best days and worse most games. Even before the Bills got bit with the injury bug, teams had started to figure out Gailey's scheme and were starting to shut down the passing game by jumping routes, putting 8 in the box, etc. It got much worse after Wood and Jackson went on IR.
