What? Brad Smith was a good passer in college also 'but that does mean nothing when translating to the NFL. In college scouts look at mechanics, arm strength pocket presence and the ability to read defenses. Tebow was asked to make very simple reads in college if the receiver was not wide open then run. He is doing g the same in the NFL and has not progressed at all in reading defenses and throwing the ball on time. Because Tebow did not run a pro style offense in college 90% shot gun he was not asked to make reads you look at the other factors. The other factors suck to he has a poor throwing motion and a extended release. Denver took a chance but Tebow was and still is Tebow no real progress as shown in practice. If you do not show in practice you do not play in the games. Success in college is very reliant on your team Tebow was on a great team. McElroy was on great team in college he sucks too. When and at this point it seems unlikely Tebow can drop back deliver the ball on time or check to second or third receiver I will change my tune. Running during 7v7s says it all
And ? Those arguing that Sanchez has peaked were talking about a QB with 50 or so starts under his belt, and they were wrong anyways.
Doesn't really matter if they were right or wrong. Person I quoted just asked for a QB with success who received this much criticism. I showed them one.
I give up. You just can't understand the point I am making and it is frustrating me. BTW, every QB benefits from good teammates at every level of football.
No. I understand his point quite clearly. It's not that his point has no validity, it is that it is outside of the scope of the original point.
Everybody is judged on how they played in college not necessarily accomplishments or stats. The College and pro game are different success In one does not mean success In the other. Tebow is not the first and will not be the last successful college Qb that his skill set does not transfer to the NFL. The only way Tebow can have any semblance of success in the NFL as if an offense is designed around his running not his throwing. He well never be a pocket passer just not enough time and in all honesty he does not have the skill set to be a pocket passer. I do not think there is a Team in the NFL willing to run that type offense as it has been proven over and over not be successful in the long run. Vick even had to change and he was a better runner than Tebow. I believe Tebow would be an all pro tight end or h back maybe even Fb but he will never be an all pro Qb. If you are running during 7v7 drills in your third year I the league you are not showing enough improvement to become a pocket passer.
Pick up your game bro and do research before you talk. Both Decker and Thomas were in the bottom 15 of ALL nfl receivers in drops , so out of 94 receivers that qualified look where they ranked , 77th and 84th! ..... Tebow only needed 1.88 more completions per game to be at 55% Rank Name Team Catchable Receptions Drops Drop Rate 91 Arrelious Benn TB 38 30 8 21.05 90 Dane Sanzenbacher CHI 34 27 7 20.59 89 Danario Alexander SL 32 26 6 18.75 88 Greg Little CLV 75 61 14 18.67 87 Brandon Gibson SL 44 36 8 18.18 85 Donald Driver GB 45 37 8 17.78 86 Ben Obomanu SEA 45 37 8 17.78 84 Eric Decker DEN 53 44 9 16.98 83 Brian Hartline MIA 42 35 7 16.67 82 Devin Aromashodu MIN 31 26 5 16.13 81 Roy E. Williams CHI 44 37 7 15.91 80 Jerome Simpson CIN 59 50 9 15.25 79 Brandon Marshall MIA 95 81 14 14.74 78 James Jones GB 44 38 6 13.64 77 Demaryius Thomas DEN 37 32 5 13.51 76 DeSean Jackson PHI 67 58 9 13.43 74 Devin Hester CHI 30 26 4 13.33 75 Mario Manningham NYG 45 39 6 13.33 73 Santana Moss WAS 53 46 7 13.21
Funny thing is that Carolina ran that kind of offense last year with Cam Newton and they were pretty successful with it. If you follow along on ESPN and NFLN, they both have talked about how the Shanahans are reworking their offense to make use of RGIII's running skills as well. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...-iii-prompts-great-change-in-redskins-offense Example: You might as well go ahead and get used to it Cval as you'll be seeing more and more option football in the NFL along with running QBs.
They have been saying this for years yet it never happens why does it not happen be reason hour qb will stay healthy. Can through for over four thousands last year and the plan is to have him run less. A young rookie qb running is not a bad thing but unless they learn to throw from the pocket they will not last. Can will turn into a pocket passed Tebow can't. Can is a throw first qb who was able to read defenses and throw a more accurate ball than most thought including me coming out of college. please don't spout this. Educated BS about running qbs as I can write pages on the failure of every single one. I can guarantee you Cam is not running during 7v7 drills. It is hard to argue with you because you and backup Qb lack the basic understanding of NFL football which is why you constantly revert back to college examples and how Can Newton runs the spread to. Tebow has proven he can run running qb do not last In the NFL not today not 20 Years ago.
And you lack the basic understanding of the English language. I don't mean to be the grammar police.... but DANG... I don't even know where to begin.
Bwahahaha, you want to criticize my understanding of football ? That's funny, considering all the times you have your hat handed to you when people, including myself, correct your mistakes. That's pretty rich there sunshine.
You know so much about football that you don't even know that Tebow was not a running QB in college or a run first QB in college. Then when someone posts the stats of him passing in college to prove that he was a PASSING QB, you say college stats don't matter and do not mean he will be able to replicate that in the NFL. Then... we try to tell you we weren't posting the stats to say he will definitely be successful in the NFL, just to say that he was a very accurate pass-first, PASSING QB in college, not a RUNNING QB. Yet, you still can't grasp the point. That is why I just gave up on you. You just keep changing the point of the discussion to suit your needs, or try to twist what we post and putting words in our mouths. Once again... nobody said that Tebow: 1) Will have success in the NFL because he was great in college 2) Is a consistent, proven, pocket passer in the NFL at this early stage in his career 3) Does not need to improve You are the one saying we said those things, then go on a tirade about how we are Tebots for saying things about Tebow that we never said . It's comical. Fellow Tebots, does that sound about right?
Oh no, don't compare the might Cam Newton and RGIII to Tebow's sorry ass. They are proven HOFers. BTW, I like Cam's game a lot... and it is almost identical to Tebow's. To me, the difference is Cam had better coaching, and receivers. I still consider Cam Newton a University of Florida Gator, since we had him first an developed him. :beer:
If i read this right its a total of 14 drops between the two? 9 for decker and 5 for DT. So thats LESS THAN ONE DROP PER GAME for the season? If thats true you made my point even more valid. Tebow was mostly at fault for his horrible passing.
Except Cam is better at running and passing the ball. Again with the excuses. Cam would have ran for more TD's and Completed more passes than Tebow if he were on the Broncos. Cam is the BETTER QB after 1 year than Tebow will probably ever be. He has some work to do..in fact quite a bit but his ceiling is so much higher than Tebows it isnt even funny. And I HATE the kid. I rooted so hard to see him fail and I called him a bust in the making, now it could still happen but at this point I'm eating some crow. I thought he was the second coming of Tebow, great college QB with a bad skillset for the pro game. So far he has proven me wrong.
No question, mostly Tebow. That's not the issue. The issue is "how bad?" Bad enough to cut him, as Boomer Esiason said this morning, or is there reason to believe his completion percentage could go up above 50% in the near future. When focusing on completion percentage, you have to look behind the number and look for other reasons. One minor thing was a good number of drops. One major thing was Tebow's tendency to eschew short passes and chuck it down the field. Tebow led the NFL in "air yards" per pass attempt last year. He throws long passes. Elway commented last year that you're not going to have a high completion percentage when you're offense is designed to do that. But this is one positive thing that makes the completion percentage stat not so fatal at this stage. One other major thing is that Tebow is terrible at close range, quick, touch passes. It's on him. This not only adds a lot of incompletions to his percentages, but it also negatively affects him in the passes he doesn't make -- his stat line goes without out some of those short, "easy to complete" passes that are part of every offense. (Easy to complete for everybody else, that is). It's skewing the numbers. The positive thinking is that getting the close range, quick touch passes down is a coachable thing that can be improved with time. If it were the other way around -- that Tebow can't throw a good ball down the field, or throw an out pass with velocity -- it would seem less viable. But he's an unusual inversion of the normal case. And if you look at it closely, with care, with an eye towards optimism, he's a decent bet.
I thought Cam was the best player in that draft, and when it looked like Luck was coming out early, I would have taken Cam. The sky's the limit on that player. Only question mark in my mind is will he throw a lot of interceptions this year when defenses start throwing different looks at him.
Really? Yeesh not me. I just thought he lacked the brains and heart, he clearly has the physical tools but his character or lack of it is what really makes me root against the kid. He is Tebow physically but he is the anti-tebow everywhere else. I see Luck as having it all. He could bust like anyone but I don't see it. He is smart, physical and has the heart to work hard, plus he seems to be gettting good marks as a leader.
