What has been the Jets' main problem as a franchise?

Parcells is a great coach. Tuna inherited the Rich Kotite Jets which went 1-15 and he turned the entire franchise around. Ryan has had 2 good seasons and 1 crappy season. If you want to enshrine him in Canton for not winning the AFCCG twice thats up to you. Comparing Ryan to Ewbank is absurd. Maybe wait until Ryan wins a AFCCG at least.

 

I'll give you that Rex doesn't have the resume of those guys yet, but you're talking about him like he's closer to Kotite territory than Parcells territory. I don't think that's fair when you look at the facts.

 

I think Ryan is brilliant and could be a great coach here for a long time. I hope so. I just think lack of continuity and great coaching has been one of the Jets biggest problems as a franchise. I hope Ryan is turning it around, but last season was not good and I'd like to see Ryan start running a much tighter ship.

 

I agree with continuity and a defined philosophy being a recipe for consistent success.
Changing coaches, philosophies, and personnel every 3 years kills teams.

I truly believe Ryan is the right coach, with the right philosophy, at the right time for the NYJ. I hope he's here for another 7 years. With good QB play, he'll get a Super Bowl done with us. He does need to tighten up certain things, and that will come with experience as HC..
If he does end up with a 10 year tenure, maybe things like Play like a Jet and defensive minded team building will stay with Woody and the Jets identity.

 

Sorry I totally disagree with U Rex is the chip off the old block lots of bluster zero results. Just like Shotty Sr & his dad when it comes time to win the big one he comes up with a big zero :sad:

 

I think our biggest problem has been our lack of a super QB, or having a good QB paired with horrible rosters. To have a sustained run in this league, you need a very good QB.

 

you must be the most miserable person on this planet

 

Well, Rex tenure is only 3 years. Think it's still too early to make predictions on where his ceiling and floor are.

As for Shotty Sr, he didn't take any teams to the SB but he's really good at lifting a garbage team into divisional contendor. Shotty Sr. would be able to improve many teams today. Unfortunately, they'd probably need to look elsewhere to make that final jump to SB though.

Shotty Jr ... should not have been retained when Rex took over.

 

Parcells was amazing. Took a Jets team that was in the toilet and turned them around. Did the same to Cowboys & Pats. When he was ready to walk out the door, he also had the Dolphins turned around. Except for Romo, Parcells didn't have any franchise level qb to rely on when rebuilding any of these franchises.

Also, I think the Parcells '90 SB run was an amazing run. Lost his starting qb (who's a pocket passer) towards the ending of season. Plugs in a scrambling-style backup qb to finish the season & completes the playoff run.

 

I dont think anyone here gives a shit about "sustained" Run I think we all want the ship and then we can bottom out for a while... We've just been biting at the leg, been teased, been crushed, ups, downs, late season crashes. Give me 1 and I will be happy

 

Its all about getting it done once you're there...They have BEEN a successful franchise the past 15 years, yet they don't have any title to show for it. Big reason for that is that they have Brady and the Pats in their division, and its a very tall order to get any home playoff games/ first round bye.

 

It starts with the owner. Using the Dolphins as an example, when Joe Robbie owned the team, the organization was stable and the product on the field was good. Once he passed and the Robbie family sold it, first Huzienga then Ross, both of whom want to win but have no clue how to. Neither ran/run their team like one of their businesses instead treating it like they are just a fan with a lot of money.

We all hate the Pats but Bob Kraft is a great owner and has created a great family atmosphere for the players and their families. Mike Iilitch is the same way with the Detroit Red Wings and Tigers. Guys want to be a part of those organizations because they feel like they are a part of a family not just a jock making a lot of money. The Rooney family are obviously at the top of the ownership world. A great orgaanization that has only had 3 coaches which is unbelievable.

Great owners who have a plan and have maintained stability over their organizations. If you don't have that, you may have some success, but in small doses.

 

The year the Pats won their 1st Super Bowl, Pro Football Weekly (I believe) ranked the Pats as THE WORST ORGANIZATION in the NFL.... W O R S T!!!!!

Halfway into that season, I was part of an NFL discussion group with long time Pats season ticket holders with a ton of NFL knowledge - they wanted Bellichik gone and called the man "CLUELESS"... Not one fan or person near that team said stuff like " This Ownership is incredible, Bellichik is an awesome HC and watch out for this Kid QB we have that will rock the world".. NO ONE SAID THAT - they wanted to clean house entirely.

Then........................ Bledsoe gets knocked out and the NFL world changes...

They stepped in shit.


And once that happens and you have that SB, all your other moves seem to be viewed thru a prism....

For example - Listening to WFAN this morning they listed 10+ insane Moves the Jets made the past 6 years or so starting with Favre.... Well, Without Super Bowls you can look back at the Pats signing Haynesworth and Ocho Cinco last year in the same EXACT light.... But, Super Bowls mask every mistake you made and turn you into genius, lucky or not....

Same deal with the Giants - EVERY FAN and EVERY expert I heard wanted Coughkine Fired and Eli sent packing in 2007!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No one was saying this Management was incredible, the Coach was awesome and ELi was an Elite QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Heck, they said the same shit this past year while praising the JETS!!!!!!!

So, back to what the Jets really needed - they needed a HOF QB period... Wether they stepped in shit to get it or scouted and picked out the best one.....

On one side at least the jets never spent a great deal reaching for a QB like Miami has done over and over but, then again, No way in hell do I trade up for a Cali-boy west coast QB with little experience who never saw snow.


Weird saying a HOF QB changes everything to a Miami fan but, Marinos career was a freak of nature and probably never happens again - I'll roll my dice with a HOF QB over anything else, even bad management - Heck, look at the Colts - Once Peyton went down, the curtain was pulled on that organization, Bad Drafts and lack of talent and coaches that did best just letting Peyton run the show - IMO the coaches were mediocre as well - Peyton Mannning made that team what it was PERIOD....

 

talent evaluation/drafting

We seemed to have it together for the short time Mangini was here....but even he was too obsessed with the character stuff.

we dont have the one football guy in our FO that has his shit together.

 

The only way I could agree with you more is if someone was paying me to.

A HOF QB makes all the difference, now more than ever. You just have to look at how many amazing performances there were in 2011 from the QB/WR position to see just how much the game has changed to one which favours passing.

 

In prior years I think we never really retained our Veteran Leadership and players that were very instrumental to us at the time. Such as John Vilma, James Farrior, Kareem McKenzie, Hugh Douglas, Jerrico Cotchery, John Abraham etc... Im sure I left a few others out but you get the point.

Its like they say they didnt fit our system or it was a contract dispute. I think you find a way to sign players back especially since we was on a roll but get knocked back down after we trade them away or let them go in FA. Then we turn around and Draft Bums for years, we have to do a better job at finding talent/scouting players.

 

Agreed but its not impossible. The Titans in 08 were able to overtake the Colts after years of dominance. Obviously the Titans blew it in the playoffs, but to win the division over a Hall of Fame QB lead team is not impossible.

 

I always think that Tom Brady never really won the superbowls.. Almost all of his superbowls the kicker kicked that last second win IMO.

 

You're right, you want win anything without a top notch QB. The days of a game manager winning a SB are gone. But you still have to have solid front office to put the plan together.