hunter is actually a decent backup at center or guard. no way should he be the starting right tackle. the ravens and chiefs were able to bring in starters last summer and this year off free agency/waivers. tanny should spend more time scouting/working the phones with player agents and less time watching practice and attending press conferences.
Tanny should make way for a GM with real football knowledge. Cap knowledge is valuable but the one time the Jets were really good this decade for almost an entire season the season was uncapped. So exactly what did Tanny bring to the table that year to justify his position at the head of the team?
you act like the Jets under Tannebaum have been the Kotite Jets, it's sad. We ahve been one of the better franchises in the league this Century. Unfortunately for us they realigned and only the div winner gets a home game in the playoffs and we have been stuck w/ the best QB of this generation leading a great NE team but we are always playoff contenders and the last 2 times we made it we were SB contenders.
do you remember when the jets had qb injuries ( chad) because tanny sunk too much of the cap money into chad's contract, soo they had to let veteran ol ( thomas, mc kenzie) walk? by the way, what genius guaranteed hunter's contract fully this year after last year's train-wreck?
No we haven't. Unless your definition of better is 4 games over .500 for ELEVEN years. ELEVEN years. We've been one of the thoroughly mediocre teams in the NFL over that span. How many teams have won more games than the Jets over the last ELEVEN years? ELEVEN years is long enough to know whether we've got studs, jokers or average joe running the team and guess what? We've got average joe. So enjoy that. Enjoy being mediocre and defending mediocrity. Because some day surely the Jets will be better than mediocre if we just wait long enough. They'll certainly never have cap problems to go along with their mediocre talent problems. You get what you pay for.
Not sure I understand your point on Moore. The guy came in as a UDFA DT- was converted to Guard- spent an offseason in nfl europe after some garbage time against the Pats in week 17 of his rookie year. He came in his second year & started from day 1 of TC on. Does the fact that he waited a year to be installed make him any less of a gamble?The guy in front of Chad for the wrist incident was JP Machado. I'm not suggesting that I think it's wise to gamble on starting O-line spots on a seasonal basis. My point is that they've worked out just as often as they've blown up in the Jets face. Why is it so important to write the Jets off before the season even gets here?
don't a few bad years b/c Chad got hurt to skew those #s, only a few teams in the AFC have more playoff apps and playoff wins. We have consistently been playoff contenders besides the years Chad got hurt. Under Rex we have the most playoff wins in the AFC and tied for the most in the NFL, that's not mediocrity. Tom Brady's don't come around often, it's bad luck we have him in our division yet we have still advanced further than NE 2 of the 3 years under rex. It boggles my mind how long time Jet fans can be unhappy now, w/ all the crap we have watched through the years this era has been the best to be a Jet fan and we still whine.
Funny.the team you always cry for the Jets to emulate...The steelers..have easily had one of the worst pass protecting offensive lines over the last several years.
No I don't remember that as Tanny was not our GM then and it wasn't Chad's contract that killed us, they didn't want to overpay for certain players and it worked out in the end for us. maybe we struggled for a year but it was better than really killing our cap by overpaying Mckenzie, Thomas, Hall, Coles, etc... The same genius that has given us a roster than is competitive every season. We now have "bad" seasons as 8-8, 8-8 used to be a our good seasons.
8-8 hasn't been a good season since about 1991. That's 20 years ago. I'm not giving our thoroughly mediocre front office credit for not being Pat Kirwan and Rich Kotite bad. And the Jets haven't been competitive every season by a long shot. They've made the playoffs 6 times in 11 years and 3 of those times were with the Parcells/Groh talent base. Since 2004 the Jets are 55-57 with 3 playoff appearances in 7 years. That doesn't sound as good as your mental image of them does it?
Parcells/groh talent opr Steinberg/Kotite talent? Why is it BP gets credit after he leaves but the guys before him don't get credit for the talent they left him? Again, we lost a few seasons to QB injuries which skew our record but every non QB injury season we have either made the playoffs or been inthe hunt late. 1997: playoff race 1998: title game 1999: lost QB 2000: playoff race 2001: WC team 2002: div rd 2003: lostQB 2004: DIV RD 2005: lost QB 2006: WC team 2007: lost QB 2008: playoff race 2009: title game 2010: title game 2011: playoff race EVERY season we didn't have QB injuries we had a chance to make the playoffs in Dec/Jan. since 2004 we are 65-63 w/ 4 playoff apps, 5 playoff wins, 2 title game apps. Since 2004 ended we are what you said but again 2 QB injury season are in there to skew those #s.
Yeah but what does it mean when you have no QB injuries and you're still finishing 8-8/9-7? What does it mean that except for the Vinny catastrophe when Parcells had no backup QB ready to go the QB injuries were all a product of weakness in the offensive line? What it means to me is that this front office does not plan well for transitions on the offensive line and they consistently devalue their regular offensive linemen and lose them. They do this by waiting until it is too late to cut a decent deal with them (Jenkins, Thomas, McKenzie). They do it by cutting/trading proven vets when the backup plan turns out to be atrocious (Kendall, Woody). They consistently allow the offense to break down by gambling that they can fill a hole on the line and failing to do so. My standard for excellence is not that the Jets can maybe sneak a wildcard most years if they get lucky. My standard for excellence is that the Jets build a roster that compels other teams to lose to them. The Jets have not had a dominant roster full of good to great players since 1998. The Ravens and Steelers have that EVERY year. That's not an accident. That's our front office limiting the team and putting a ceiling on their results by mediocre talent acquisition and retention.
You are saying the weakness of the OL was the reason for Vinny popping his chilles? Chad digging his wrist into the turf? Chad's shoulder? The Ravens and Steelers have it every year yet 2 of the last 3 years the Jets have advanced further than Baltimore, Pitt missed the playoffs at 9-7 in '09, they missed the playoffs in '06 as well. We have the bad fortunte of playing in the same division as NE, if any other team in the league switched places w/ us they'd be playing for a WC too. NE is too good of a reg season team and yet despite that disadvantage we have advanced further than NE 2 of the last 3 years and have made I think the 4th(or 5th) most playoff apps in the conf in the last decade and we've done it w/o an elite QB unlike the other teams that always seem to have a chance- Pit, NE, Indy.
Great points. Baltimore & to a lesser extent the Jets have been AFC contenders mostly without the help of a franchise quarterback. That is admirable in the modern era. Vinny's achilles ironically was a result of a play Curtis Martin fumbled on.Had nothing to do with the O-line. That was an awesome O-line too. Jumbo Ellot with 2 good knees, Kerry Jenkins, Mawae,Rookie Randy Thomas, & 2nd year Jason Fabini.I'm not sure that touches the 08-09 Jets O-line.That was just filthy. I look at the Jets as really taking another step on the field & off when they moved into the Atlantic center.It clearly impresses prospective players as we NEVER had this much success with free agency, medical staff & players in the weight room. The Jets are finally state of the art.New York. You can look up their record since the move,,,but there is a significant difference in product quality
I was listening to Joe & Evan about an hour ago, and Beningo said he got a text from a friend who's watching in Cortland. And that friend's text said..... Ducasse has been manhandling Coples. I don't know if it that's good or bad.
Apparently a yr in the weight room and training may have turned Vlad into A Fng WilderBeast in which case Vlad is the LG and Slauson the RT w/WFH as backup. It would be great to see the OL get better, stronger and younger at the same time. Competition is a good thing.
I don't wprry about run blocking or technique w/ Slauson at RT. What I worry about is if he has the feet.To be fair he played blindside his senior year. You can play that at Nebraska you likely have the feet for RT in the ground & pound.
So that injury, the first of Chad's pro career, was on a journeyman guard who had no knees left at that point. That's because they weebled and wobbled on getting a deal done with Randy Thomas and wound up letting him go at the age of 26 instead of extending him a year early so they could get a deal done. They failed to extend him and then Steve Hutchinson went and got the best deal ever for a guard in the interim and the Jets were f'd, because they'd given low weight to an interior lineman's value. They were losing Kerry Jenkins at the same time they failed to extend Thomas a year early. Chad got hurt behind two guards who had not been on the Jets a year earlier. They let the Redskins define the market for Thomas and watched the best young QB the Jets had had in 15 years go down as the price. That's on the Jets. Just like they've fumbled Sanchez development they've fumbled the offensive line continuity over the years. They've been forced to bring in aging vets over and over again to cover the holes that not retaining their own linemen left. Or they've had big holes. It's a recipe for treading water in the deep end of the pool and that's all the Jets have been doing since Parcells left town.
You are way, way off..First of all the Jets made a reasonable offer to Randy Thomas earlier that offseason, & the redskins swooped in & overpaid for him. Same thing happened with Kerry Jenkins the year before when he got a pretty nice 5 year deal to follow Bill Muir to Tampa despite only one season as a proven starter. I have friends who are Bucs fan that still speak harshly of that contract to this day. Jenkins was 2002 & Thomas was 2003. Then you come in from left field with the Hutchinson contract which didn't even transpire until 2007! As for the Jets 2 guards in the 2003 Chad game...the guard who gave up the sack was JP Machado who had been with the team since 1999 as a 5th round draft pick. The other guard was Dave Szott who gave the Jets 2 solid seasons.Machado was replaced soon after w/ Brent Smith who had been brought in as a 6th linemen type. The jets O-line architecture is nowhere near is irresponsible as you portray it. Why no mention of all the good O-line units the Jets have fielded over the years?
