wrt to "traditional offense", Tebow started 3 games in his rookie season and ran a "traditional offense". Did pretty well with it too. Ah yes, other teams will have tape, and therefore, they will stop the offense. Last I checked, NFL teams have been running from the I-formation for decades, and there is plenty of tape on it, yet defenses can't always stop it and teams are still successful with it. Same with a single back set. Just because tape is available doesn't mean that other teams can stop something.
Still doesnt change the fact that they were so uncomfortable with Tebow running the offense the had to dumb it down to simplistic and predictable play calling. Your boy cant read a defense to save his life, which means he cant audible at the line of scrimmage, which means he has two options; run the play called regardless of the defense or take it and run. Where a real QB can come up, see the alignment and change either the entire play or make a minor adjustment in the routes. What you fail to understand is: THE COACHING STAFF with its 30-40 YEARS ON COLLECTIVE NFL EXPERIENCE... saw it one way. And you with ZERO years of NFL coaching experience saw it another way. Gee I wonder who was most likely to be right? Let me give you a hint. He doesn't live in a Trailer Park with his cousin in BFE Kentucky.
You get my vote for biggest loser on the internet. Taking shots at a guy and his fans who did wonders for your piece of crap franchise. Your Broncos were 4-12 in 2010, 2nd worse franchise in the league, and then were an astounding 1-4 before Tebow turned those losers into winners. He helps this franchise to get to the playoffs for the first time in 6 years, and wins a playoff game. You should be bowing down at the feet of Tebowites and worshipping the Tebow altar in your one bedroom apt. Instead you are such a loser you follow Tebowmania to his new team and take shots at him. What a waste of time your life seems to be. It will be with great enjoyment to see the Broncos take a terrible fall with your 350yr old stapled qb this year.
You take way too many shots at beautiful Kentucky to be even remotely happy with your housing situation. How is that American dream working out for you in your apt in Newark?
By well you mean? 1 Win 2 Losses 50% Completion Rate (41/82) 5 TD Passes 3 INT 198 Rush Yards 3 TD Rushing 1 Fumble I think what you meant to say is he looked better in his first 3 starts than his last few. We agree on this one. I thought he looked promising in '10 but I saw no improvement whatsover in '11 and it looked like he regressed after a much publicized off season training program that was supposed to improve his deficiencies.
MOST YOUNG QBs can't "read NFL defenses" and most of them don't have the freedom to audible into anything they want. You're talking about the highly revered John Fox with his 2 games over .500 record and 3 winning seasons in the 11 years that he's been an NFL HC ? Or Mike McCoy, who ever called an offensive series until the latter part of 2010 after McDaniels was fired and Studesville took over as interim HC ? Who hadn't even designed his own offense or playbook prior to 2011, as Denver was still using McDaniel's ??
Not giving an opinion either way, but I almost wonder how much their struggles had to do with all (most) of the other players NOT knowing the spread. #devilsadvocate
Ummm, I live in Boulder Colorado. And yes Kentucky can be a beautiful, my brother and his wife / daughter live in Louisville and I have visited a couple times. Weather is horrific in the winter/summer but the city is cool.
Yes, I dont like Fox either, he is an old man in a young mans game. I don't know enough about McCoy, other than last year, to make a judgement but it still doesnt negate the FACT that they are NFL coaches and you are not. Therefore NFL COACHES MAKING DECISIONS >>>>>>>> YOU
yes, that is what I meant by "well", when you consider that he was the 2nd/3rd string QB coming off the bench in week 13 under a new coaching regime and play caller. Rough and raw to be sure, but as you said, showed promise. Have to wonder how much the lockout hurt his development, and if things would have been much different with a full offseason AND support from the coaching staff/front office.
hehe, what part of Louisville, if you don't mind me asking ? I'm over in the east end, in Hike's Point. And yeah, the weather can be an issue here at times
Hmmm I beg to differ. I have seen plenty of young NFL QB have options to audible at the line. I watched Newton do it, I watched Dalton do it. I even saw the Kaepernick kid from SF do it in some mop up time last year. Since I live in Colorado, I get all the Broncos games and when the Jets aren't on NFL Ticket I will watch the Broncos. I saw whats his face the really bad QB from Minnesota do it as well and he is a rookie. I also saw the 3rd string kid from Houston check down in the playoff game. So your theory is pretty much wrong. This is Tebow's biggest issue, his arm is his arm, you aint changing that, but what he lacks is the ability to make split decisions on plays based upon the defense, he can't seem to get it down, now I don't if its because he just cant get it or because he was a "do as your told" QB and never put any effort into changing things because they usually worked.
He lives in the Meadowview Estates on ashfield lane, Its south of i think 254 or 264 Highway? Its a very nice area.
I think their biggest problem outside of Tebow was consistency from their young offensive line, and consistency from their young receiver corps. One some pass plays, that rookie right tackle they had was a turnstile, and the two guys in the middle (Beadles and Walton) got killed sometimes up the middle. Sometimes not, but the consistency problems made it difficult to get a sense of rhthym and timing, with "clicking." The receivers were just young -- rounded routes, fading routes, separation sometimes lacking. It makes it more difficult to develop that pinpoint timing. Because even when they do run it right, you weren't ready for it because it's not precise and consistent enough to anticipate. Obligatory response -- someone will say, no, all the problems were Tebow.
Not all the problems, nor all the success either. It has to go both ways. You cant keep bringing up the Pit game like it was all tebow and dismiss the fact that the Thomas kid did 90% of the work on the play. I understand the QB gets the glory and the blame, what drives most of us nuts is the fact that the hardcore Tebow fans refuse to do the latter. Its always an excuse. L
I didn't say that they couldn't audible at all. Young QBs usually have severe limits on their audibles and what they can change to. yeah, I'll readily admit that he's no Peyton Manning when it comes to reading defenses and making decisions. Did you miss the part where it's been mentioned that he's only had 15 or so starts >? During the season last year, I think it was Mariucci on NFLN who did a piece talking about how he thought that the Broncos coaching staff was doing Tebow a disservice in the way they did things. He pointed out that QBs like Ponder and Gabbert were given the freedom to go out and make mistakes, and that they would learn from these mistakes. Basically, they were allowed to actually develop and grow. He said that Tebow was on a much shorter leash. Basically, he had to produce or be replaced.
An average NFL playbook has between 120 and 150 plays in it, most of which are runnable from many different formations, and personnel packages. To think that the Broncos added 4 or 5 option plays, and a Tebow package proves that you are an imbecile. Just because you have conviction about your guesses does not make them correct. If I 'go listen to McCoy or Tebow talk about the system' are they going to tell me they added 4 or 5 plays? Of course not, because you are completely guessing. My guess is that over 40 plays were added to the playbook, as well as 3-4 formations. I can promise you that I am closer than you are.
I think you hit on his biggest flaw, he is a "do as your told" QB, to a fault. It was my biggest frustration with him at Florida. He is a true soldier who will carry out the coaches plans without waver. If you have a good coordinator it works, if you don't, it doesn't. Its about the only character trait I don't like with my favorite athlete, I hope with time and experience he grows out of it. Even so, Tebow still dropped 35pts to beat the kid from Minn. The mindbending thing is that critics talk about Tebow's faults in absolute terms as if he won't improve. Reality is that he is just getting started, he will improve drastically. He has already proved to be clutch in game-ending situations, and has won a lot of games. He is only going to get much, much, better.
hahahha, wow, small world. I used to live in Meadowview in the big white Farmhouse on the left, just as you turned into the subdivision. That said, I'm guessing he moved at some point as Ashfield Lane isn't in Meadowview Estates. It's off of Lowe Road and I believe that area is called St. Regis Park (have family that lived over there).
I agree that was a very good game by tebow. As far as the do as your told, youre right, if he doesn't change he will fail. You have to be able to make changes at the line or youre screwed. But they have to give him the freedom which he has to earn in TC or on the field in a game. I also agree he has proven to be clutch the problem is you cant live like that week in and week out in the NFL. Some of its luck (see the Miami game and the onside kick recovery, the bear game with whats his face allowing himself to be pushed out of bounds) and some of its skill, but if he doesn't get those breaks Tebow is 7-9 as a starter with no Pit game to talk about. He needs to be able to put teams away, nobody can make a career out of always needing to scramble to win in the final few minutes.
