And it was just Favre too. And it was just Pennington too. At some point you have to rid the OC if 3 QBs can't make it work. Even if Sanchez doesn't play well next year, we truly know he has trouble. It will be good to find out instead of getting a 4th QB under Schotty. Schotty and the Jets needed a fresh start and clearly the offense and its players did not mesh with Schotty's offense.
The problem with Schotty's scheme on the Jets was that it was slow-developing and complex. All the great offensive schemes in the NFL right now are the polar opposite, quick to start and relatively simple. Tom Brady is not performing rocket science out there. He's running a spread offense in which the ball is out of his hands almost as soon as he's set up in the pocket by design. The thing that makes the Pats offense so efficient is that the choices it requires the players to sort among are simple and fast evolving. Peyton Manning ran a basic set of 12 plays that he modified at the line of scrimmage depending on how the defense setup. Again, the offense was designed for the ball to be out of his hand almost as soon as he had reached the launch point. Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers both run slightly more complicated offenses but that's because they're both shorter than average and they have different set points than a normal pocket passer. Brees tends to setup directly behind one of the tackles, moving the pocket right or left depending on where the pressure is coming from. Rodgers takes a bunch of sacks because he has to move to where the lane is for him to throw in and sometimes there's a defender waiting there for him. He makes the choice as to where to setup though and he does it at the line of scrimmage when he sees where the defenders are likely to be coming from. For a relatively small number of sequences over the last few years Sanchez has been a superior QB. Those sequences have been when he was on the move and when the game situation prevented the slow-as-molasses play development that Schotty favored, in other words the two minute drills. Hopefully Sparano understands what works and what doesn't for a 6'2" QB these days. If he does then Sanchez and the offense have a decent chance to go somewhere this year.
But then the offense didn't change when his shoulder got hurt. We threw the ball in the rain against a team that had trouble stopping the run. Why, who knows, the game wasn't even a blowout. Schotty's decisions have always consistently inconsistent no matter the QB He needed a fresh start and the Jets needed. He gets to work with a young QB, the Jets get someone whose philosophy is similar to Rex
I get called a Schotty supporter here because I think most of the Jets problems on O were due to poor execution and, in certain positions, a lack of talent. But that doesn't mean he was free of blame, and the bigger picture is that he wore his welcome out. The OC is usually the scapegoat whenever the O is playing at a less than stellar level, and the Jet O was well below stellar last year. So we will, starting in a few weeks, enter a period where woes on offense cannot be blamed on Schotty. This obviously does not mean, of course, that offensive woes will be blamed on the players, or on particular players, even Sanchez. Any such problems can of course be blamed on the new OC, and no doubt will be by some. It was always thus. And probably will continue to be. You have to be philosophical about it.
CJ85 was used to having freedom to run option routes in Cincinnati. In NE he was told to stick with the play. I don't think he adjusted to that well.
No he wasn't, he struggled most of the year and got hurt in october then had his best stretch of 3-4 games in November. Favre was mediocre/bad most of the season outside of thast brief Buffalo through Ten stretch in November.
Ochocinco was used to the passing game revolving around him. That's the situation he had in Cincinnati for most of his career with a good secondary receiver being the outlet guy while he freelanced and got open deep and stretched the field for the Bengals. That's not what the Patriots do. The Patriots exploit the 9 yards from the line of scrimmage by giving Brady multiple options in there and a quick read to the second level usually up the seams. Ochocinco had no role in that offense. Just get open deep wasn't ever in that offense except when Randy Moss created it and Ochocinco may have been good at that but Moss was the best of all time. The Patriots weren't going to change things around for Ochocinco after booting Moss.
If things go slowly for the Jets at the start the go-to will be "it always takes time to install a new offense and hiccups occur in the process." That'll actually be an accurate assessment of the situation. Along about game 5 if things are still slow is when things will get ugly. That's when we'll be looking at Sanchez and Hunter and the receivers and the runningbacks and trying to figure out if 4-12 is a real possibility.
You're forgetting Arizona. That's the single most explosive offensive performance I've seen the Jets have in 42 years of watching the team. Favre threw 6 TD passes.
So when Hunter blows a 1 on 1 and gets Sanchez almost killed several times, leading to at least 1 injury, it has nothing to do with the line. :lol: It was Sanchez blowing the read. C'mon man. It was obvious that the line was our biggest issue last year. By the end of the year Sanchez wasn't himself with the amount of viscous sacks he took. Receiving took a step back, running took a step back, the line took a step back. Sanchez took a step forward despite the injury. Shonn Greene took a step forward. I can't believe people don't realize this. Sanchez had the deck stacked against him this year yet still improved his touchdowns by 12 in a season. People only pay attention to the Sanchez from the last 3 games. Give the dude a break, he was having a pretty good season before all that. Jets fans, especially these cornball darksiders, have selective memory. Just watch the kid's footwork from early season vs late season. It's obvious that injury played a role.
In addition, Tebow's prsence would only make the situation worse if that comes to pass. I still can't believe the FO did nothing to upgrade the OL.
Does this mean the FO though the O-line woes where Schotty's fault or did they think injury was the bigger issue? It has to be one of those does it not if the situation was not addressed? Hunter played decent the year before at least not as bad as he did last year o-lineman do not decline that much do they.
I don't disagree that it was time for him and the team to part ways, and his decision making was very questionable at times. The problem will be if Sanchez doesn't improve some. Then you'll have to decide whether it is just Sanchez not being good, or Sparano (who is not really a proven OC) who is at fault this year.
With the way Favre played I'm curious how many successful plays were made of broken ones. Also This has been posted a few times, But if you haven't you should read this. http://nyjetscap.com/Schottenheimer.html "Favre a future Hall of Famer never fit with the Jets. His reputation took a huge hit and his performance as a Jet relative to everything else is bad. The numbers state a strong case that he was worse than Kellen Clemens in almost every aspect other than sacks. Like with the other Qb’s the most alarming number is the interceptions. Favre ended up 72% higher than the average compared to 6.5% below as a Packer and a shocking 56% below thus far as a Viking. Favre’s YPC and YPA were by far the worst he had and he was unable to find the end zone efficiently."
2 things,. One- we got Favre w/ a month to go before the season in a new system for the first time in 16 years. Two- he didn't want to play for us. THAT is why he didn't succeed here, not the OC who the next year had a rookie QB help his team reach the title game.
To be objective he played better in the beginning of the season then he did at the end, Which would negate your point about being in a new system since he seemed to pick it up and play ok. Through the first 4 games he was 87/124 935yds 12TD 3INT. That doesn't seem like a guy who didn't want to play, or a guy who was having trouble adjusting to a new system. He didn't succeed cause he got hurt and the game plan wasn't changed ( and he wasn't benched ) to compensate. The Vikings got a seemingly 'revived' Favre because they didn't ask / let him throw the ball down field as much. Meaning they planned around Favre breaking down, rather then try and play through it.
While last year I was down on Sanchez for the most part, any fair minded person also had to take note that his job was made much more difficult due to the OL, mostly that being about Hunter, but also the lack of depth when Mangold got hurt and VD not being good enough to get on the field much. While the change at OC may (although I doubt it) bring an upgrade, the problem going forward, in what will be Sanchez's fourth year, is that the OL has basically been left unchanged. This in turn will make it more difficult, as it was last year, to isolate the variable if the Jet O does not improve substantially. This has been a strange off season. There was the trade for Tebow, the interest in Peyton Manning, the extension of Sanchez's contract, all the talk of Revis, the fallout from "Ryan losing the locker room", the changes to the CS and the Todd Haley story. But as we get near to camp, the aspect I think remains most strange of all is the lack of action on the OL. I think if we took a poll here after the last game, and asked who thought it likely that Wayne Hunter would be the starter at RT in the coming season, well, I don't think many would have said that.
