As a ball catcher he is very good. But we usedhim as a blocker last year, and he was not very good. So we tried Mulligan as a blocker and he was a walking yellow flag.
Just to play devil's advocate, Keller could improve significantly as a pass catcher. He drops too many balls and his physical attributes and gifts would imply that he should have more production than he does. Then again I'm not too high on Sanchez as a passer so that could play into it as well. I've noticed that non-Jet football fans tend to think Keller is better than he actually is due to where he was drafted and his combine stats.
But then it's Schottenheimer offense we are talking about. What is obvious to most everyone is NOT obvious in that offense. *TJ raping Raiders D for near 200 yards on the ground, yet losing the game or...*
If Big Blocker sees that quotation from the Star-Ledger, he's gonna feel so conflicted by his endless support for Schotty and his mancrush on McElroy.
I have not endlessly supported Schotty, so that is a lie. I merely unlike lots of fans in denial here point out that most Jet problems on O were in execution. As for McElroy you miss the humor. Gallows humor. I of course have no solid reason to think he would be a great Qb, but I do think the guys before him, both of them, are for the most part mediocre. Sorry if that upsets you.
It actually has to do with being the leader receiver for Sanchez in back to back years. Most of Keller's drops were balls thrown behind him with a collapsing pocket. People think Keller sucks because he's not Gronk, which is silly.
I don't think Keller sucks, except at run blocking. He is problematic since if he's in there for a running play, he doesn't contribute.
Did they also struggle running the Schotty offense in 2009 and 2010, too? It's NOT like Schotty was only the OC in 2011 ...
^Yes they did. Our offense has been mediocre under Schotty pretty much every single year. Some years we win more games than others, but looking at the offensive success overall, it just hasn't been there.
I like to do back to the pre-season game where they had the mic on Sanchez when he was calling the plays. Offense struggled to move until Sanchez took over the play calling and then proceeded to call out Schotty. The funny part was I was thinking the same thing at the time and I am sure I was not the only one. Qbs that struggled under Schotty 1. Dree Brees 2. Brett Favre 3. Chad Pennington 4. Kellen Clemons 5. Mark Sanchez Soon to be Bradford
Whether it's accurate or not this season will end up resolving in most people's heads whether the Jets collapse of 2011 was Schotty or Sanchez's fault. If the Jets make the playoffs Schotty is the scapegoat and if the Jets collapse we'll never hear anything over the roar of Tebots.
First of all the Jets made the playoffs in 2009 and 2010, with Schotty has OC. But the bigger point is that I don't see the either or argument you are making. There were other factors, most significantly being the OL last year. Even the lack of change on the OL roster will not isolate the variable, since it is unlikely that such events as Mangold's injury will duplicate the OL's experience last year. And in fairness to Sparano several things could happen that would prevent success by him that would be out of his control.
1. Rams offense WILL collapse, REGARDLESS of whether Schottenheimer coaches them or not. Unless Bill Walsh himself comes back to life and lends them salvation. Sure, having Schottenheimer will almost guarantee 32nd spot on the offense for sure but they have no protection and offensive weapon to speak of. So, in that regard, as hard as I have been on Schottenheimer, if the Rams offense DO collapse this season, I do not think it is right to pin that on Schottenheimer. Rams FO fucked things up beyond any recognition. That is beyond the scope of Schottenheimer's job description. At the end of the day, you cannot create chicken salad out of chicken shit. 2. Then... how about "True test will come from Jets offense this season"? Oh no. That can't be further from the truth either. As long as WFH is at starting RT spot, this offense is mired in mediocrity. 3. Then... where does this Schottenheimer bash come from? If he was dealt raw deal by the FO, how could he even do his job? Yes... to a degree, this sentiment has some (if not a lot) weight. T-Bomb has been compromising the line integrity for years. But that does not mean Schottenheimer is off the hook - as there were things that could have been done, but ultimately were not done. That's where the bashing comes from. Jets offense, unlike the ruin that is Rams offense, has quite a few solid pieces that he could work with. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This is how I see it. In today's passing offense, nearly every play has hot route built in somewhere. Unless you are running Andy Reid's version of WCO, you have it somewhere. (In case of Reid's offense, the QB is given up to 3 short routes in any given passing play - any can be used as hot route, which is why Reid's offense does not feature built-in hot route.) Problem with Schottenheimer's offense is that, I don't know how it is but, the defense seems to know where that hot route (or adjustment) is. Nearly all the time. This works in conjunction with the poor protection design. To make the long story short, the defenses know how to attack it and how to stop the bail outs. About the play taking three days to develop: I think that is actually a wrong statement. Ever since the WCO took the center stage of NFL by storm, nearly every passing play features 1 deep read, 1 medium read and 1 short read at least. (If you put all three of them in one sideline, that's flood concept; if you use the middle of the field with one of the reads, that's triangle stretch.) Of course deep read will take long to get to the designated spot; what I think is happening is that, the defenses are taking away the short and medium reads effectively, forcing Sanchez to go deep. Now, add the flaws in protection scheme, and the shoddy dropback mechanics from Sanchez, and we have a problem here. Yes, the prime evil is in the design of the plays (which also designates the reads on the defense) but you cannot overlook the pivotal role Sanchez plays here either. If the QB reveals the playside, it becomes much easier for the defense to stop the passes. (which is why Sanchez's accuracy is suffering, by the way. I do not think Sanchez cannot hit the WRs in strides, or in space. Just his incorrect mechanics tips the play toward the defense - that's more to it than Sanchez unable to deliver the ball at correct spot.)
Yeah. They struggled in 2008 too if you want to go back. Injured Brett Favre in rainy Seattle who has trouble stopping the run, we decide to throw at the most inopportune times instead of establishing our running game. In 2009 they clearly struggled on offense. In 2010, we for some reason started most games in a deficit since we couldn't get points up and would go 3 and out. Also the mind numbingly confusing playcalls in Pitt. Then we can talk about 2011 also. Is this the response you were looking for considering I never said the offense was good in the past.
