Was Sanchez Injured last season?

The problem is, Sanchez's flaw was not those "getting from bad to worse" kind. It's a consistent flaw that should be corrected. And no, he is not looking at the OL either. He is locking down on the playside of the field.

And you are correct in one regard - Jets offense didn't protect Sanchez enough. Like I have said for millionth time by now, I have yet to see why Jets didn't install 2 TE max pro set as a base package against good pass rushing teams. (Yet that fault is on Sanchez too by some - Ok. Schottenheimer was made look worse because of this offense too. Ok.) Isn't putting Mulligan saying Jets are going to run in some sense?

Tell ya what. Remember the Midnight miracle? That day, the likes of Jermaine Wiggins and Jumbo Elliott caught TD passes. If that could have been done, why not Mulligan and Keller? If Mulligan sucks so bad, just GRAB ANY TE FREE AGENT OFF THE STREET. Conner is not doing much on the roster space anyway, so Jets offense could use HIM as a TE on the line if that's your thing. All in all, it is more than clear that Jets offensive schemes in general did not provide enough protection for Sanchez.

(This is one of the primary reasons as to why I am blasting Schottenheimer like I have in the past. Let me give you one tell-tale example. This was 49ers vs Giants back in the late 80's. Lawrence Taylor was wrecking havoc on the offense as we all know, but the ILBs in general did not do much blitzing themselves. So, in their showdown, Walsh came up with a brilliant idea, called Molly Block. It's not that difficult by concept; the LG would pull underneath and take on Lawrence Taylor. Since the ILB would be sitting in the zone, vacating LG wouldn't be much of a problem, as long as C and LT sealed the gap quick enough - or that was the logic.

When the game started, Taylor was mauled and manhandled by much larger and stronger LG all game long. I don't have to tell you how the game ended; it resulted in resounding 49ers victory.

Now, how is Schottenheimer addressing the protection issues? Does he even know the tendency of the opposing defense? If he adequately addresses the protection like any good offensive coordinator is supposed to, why was Sanchez taking vicious hits after hits for 3 years? Ok. Not all is on Schottenheimer - that's obvious - but who is responsible for 1. designing the protection schemes and 2. teach the players to perform at adequate level? I keep telling you, guys. If your trainees keep fucking things up at colossal magnitude, your drill sergeants need a swift kick in his ass.)

 

Damn, Sanchez took some of the worst hits last season that I've ever seen any quarterback take. On that one play, it looked like Ngata's helmet was going to go right through him, and pop out of his chest like in "Alien".

 

do you really believe that????????????

 

I don't know enough about the Rams to know whether or not Schottenheimer is likely to prosper there. I"ll believe it when I see it, based on his production here. But just because the guy found a new job is no reason for us to disregard what we were watching every week (and that was not a well coached offense that repeatedly out schemed its opponents).

Eric Mangini convinced someone to hire him after the Jets let him go, too.

That said, I'm still trying to wrap my head around Tony Sparano as an upgrade. Just not understanding the optimism around this guy based on his past production.

 

I think Sparano isn't necessarily an upgrade, but he fits what Rex wants his team to be. You will see more ground & pound and a less complicated passing offense.

 

1. I do not care about what Fisher does with Rams. That's his problem.

2. I never said I was better qualified. I don't even have coaching experience.

3. That does not mean Schottenheimer is not a fucking moron; that he is.

4. Why would Jets hire armchair coaches like myself? There are millions of them - most of them much better qualified than I, mind you - out there, if you didn't notice yet.

5. Am I the ONLY one who think Brian is a fucktard? Think again. And again, I don't care what Rams do with their offense. It's their problem. Just as a reminder, I will bump this thread (specifically this posting) by the end of the season to see how Rams offense fare. (I have made my prediction all along - it will belong to the bottom third, if not the rock bottom, with the kind of OL they have, the offensive skill players they have and with the OC they have.) Let's see if you can have that uncontrollable laughter still.

 

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I have a feeling this is going to be the only way to prove this one way or the other. If Bradford starts turning the ball over like hotcakes, and Sachez is able to clean up his game and still put up solid yard/tds then it will be obvious and I do think that Shotty will be out of the Job next year. People with pedigree get second chances in coaching the same way first round talents usually get 2nd chances in the NFL ( Maybin ). You bust in multiple places and the problem isn't the place, it's you ( Gholsten ). Right now, Shotty is in a big pickle. If he can't get it done with Bradford, I don't see him ever being HC or even OC again in the NFL. Even if he does mediocre, If Sanchez lights it up this year, he might struggle to land another developmental OC Job with other young QBs.

Same goes for Sanchez though, If he continues to make bad decisions and turn the ball over he's going to lose his chance to Tebow, and will most likely be looking for a Job come February.

 

Believe me I understand that its a fans right to complain about the OC. Its virtually an obligation. The Pats have had a top 3 offense for the past 3 years and you wouldn't believe the complaints about Bill OBrien. Hey fans complained about Josh McDaniel when the Pats offense was setting records. We all second guess the play caller.

When your offense is mired in the 20's of the league I imaging the complaining is exacerbated. But I think Shotty has been under appreciated for helping the Jets get to 2 AFCCG's with an inexperienced QB, who is inaccurate and doesn't have great field vision. And the fact that he's a turnover machine doesn't help either. It severely limits what you can do as well.

Further more I think the Jets management of their cap hasn't helped either. Its made developing quality OL depth impossible and has left your TE position thin and limited. Keller is a good receiver who can't block a lick, yet he's still probably the best you have at the position.....to the point where a rugby player who has never played the game has a decent chance to make your roster. There were plenty of veteran TE's who were available this off season, only the Jets were limited to who they could sign by their cap situation. Cumberland looked like a nice prospect in preseason, but he's little more than a Keller clone.

If you want to truly be a "ground and pound" offense they you need TE's who can block as WELL as receive. Re: the thread about the possibility of getting Fassano from Miami makes a lot of sense (though its extremely unlikely.....partially because he'd want to be paid) You also need better depth at RB. A guy like Cedric Benson would make some sense, but you have no room for him. Instead you are left with hoping guys who haven't done anything yet in the pros (Powell, McNight) or a rookie like Gananway will develop into impact runners. It could happen, but......you hate to have to go into a season counting on that kind of surprise at such an important position for the Jets.

 

Here's one problem with being optimistic. Cavanaugh has been the Qb coach for three years already. Wouldn't he be the coach with the primary responsibility to work on the Qb's mechanics? I think you would say yes, right?

So how come the Jets brought him back?

There are two answers. One is there is no good reason they did, but that also would mean we would have no good reason to expect Cav, or anyone else on the CS, to work with Sanchez now.

The other more disturbing answer is that the Ryan and the FO have concluded that Sanchez is the problem, not Cavanaugh. That Cavanaugh HAS tried to work with Sanchez, to address the problems you have described, but that the problem has been Sanchez's lack of response.

 

schotty, injuries, lack of FO support, yadda yadda yadda.

None of it matters. There are always excuses available if you are looking for them. Losers makes excuses. It has been good to hear Sanchez NOT making excuses. Nor should he. Its actually a very good sign. It would be great if we stopped making up excuses for Sanchez. He doesn't need them and neither do we.

Fact 1: Sanchez performed poorly.
Fact 2: The Jets offense performed poorly.
Fact 3: Sanchez was not responsible for the poor performance of the Jets running game.
Thus: Sanchez was not totally responsible for the Jets poor performance last year. So there is no need for any excuses - BUT it is critical to understand that the Jets need to run the ball MUCH BETTER next season if they can hope to be successful.

Thus far in his career, Sanchez has needed a rushing game in order for the Jets to be successful. Last year the rushing game was poor or inconsistent at best. In 2010 the rushing game was a major strength of the team.

YDS: 2010-2374; 2011-1692
FD: 2010-118; 2011-92
YD/ATT: 2010-4.4 (8th); 2011-3.8 (30th)
ATT: 2010-443; 2011-534

 

I have a lot of reasons to believe Cav is to blame, as much as Schottenheimer. If anything, I recall reading about this colossal dumb fuck shit, where they installed a beeper so it would go off in 3 seconds after Sanchez takes the snap.

Just sheer brilliance.

Tell me that is on Sanchez too.

 

Its not complicated: Sanchez's performance is on Sanchez. No Excuses. The running game performance is not on Sanchez and Sanchez needs a rushing game in order to be successful. I have a funny feeling that Ganaway is going to emerge and really help the ground game in 2012.

 

The answer offered by some was that they did that to free up cap space. That move in any event was bracketed by the Jets trying to get Peyton Manning and then trading for Tebow. Neither were signs of great confidence in Sanchez.

Having said that i was very critical, and remain so, of extending Sanchez's contract.

 

If Cavanaugh is to blame, then how come he's still the Qb coach?

 

There is in fact a connection between the running game and the Qb. This is not difficult. If the Qb is not a threat in the passing game, the opposing D will stack the box.

Call me crazy, but I saw an awful lot of that last season. You know, watching Jet games.

 

In 2010 the run game was not great, LT got off to the great start the first month but was mediocre the rest of the way. The run game was very good in the Indy playoff game, ok against NE and non existant agaiinst Pitt. Sanchez and the pass game were huge reasons why we won in 2010.

Last year there were a million reasons why we struggled and it started w/ the OL. That doesn't excuse Sanchez b/c the OL played better the 2nd half and Sanchez was terrible the final 3 games where we needed to win a couple of games to get in but Sanchez, the OL, the run game, the WRs- there was plenty of blame to go around.

2010 LT/Greene: 404 carries, 1680 yds, 4.2 YPC, 8 TDs
and this w/ LT having a GREAT first month:
LT first 5 games: 76-435 yds, 5.7 YPC, 3 TDs
LT last 11 games: 143-479 yds, 3.3 YPC, 3 TDs

2011 LT/Greene: 328 carries, 1334 yds, 4.1 YPC, 7 TDs
Green was primarily responsble for this but again it was divided:
Greene: first 6 games: 93-314, 3.4 YPC, 2 TDs.
last 10 games: 160-740, 4.6 YPC, 4 TDs

There wasn't a huge change in the primary backs from 2010 to 2011. We didn't run as much b/c we fell behind in games but one of the differences was:

2010 Brad Smith: 38-299 yds, 7.9 YPC, 1 TD
2011 Kerley: 5-28, 5.6, 0 TD

This was not all in the WC, the WC had lost effectiveness but he was doing great things for us on reverses and end arounds. Tebow is going to ahve success running the football whether in the WC, other trick plays or just running the ball. This can help keep defenses off balance.

A year ago I didn't think we lost much w/ Brad Smith but looking back it was bad for us and Brad(though good for his bank account). Now we have a better runner and passer running the WC.

 

I think Tebow is going to help the offense a lot bringing back the wildcat. Might get a few deep passes out of it but its going to give us a lot more of a run game. I hope we see him lineup at HB some with Mark at QB. That could get interesting.

 

I think he will line up in base sets, I think that's why we didn't address adding another RB in FA(there are still some good ones available) and why they asked him to bulk up to 250 lbs so he can take more of a pounding.

 

By the same logic that Sanchez had his contract extended for 2 more years.