Good point. I think the most ironic part about all the people here going nuts that signed Tebow is the fact that all the same people were clamoring about how we need to get Mark a legit back up someone who can push him and make him better. How Mark has had it too easy and the job has just been handed to him. So we go out and get a QB that can push Mark like no other QB because he knows it isn't just his job now and it could be threatened and then all those same posters start crying that its a bad move and how it will put too much pressure on Mark and he won't perform now. I find it pretty hilarious.
I'm not a supporter of Schottenheimer's game plans. But on that play no one read that Reed was blitzing. Had Greene saw the blitz his primary responsibility is to pick the back side blitz up (unless it's a HB screen play).
Most underrated part of LT's game was his pass protection. Greene is not good at blocking and McKnight I'm not really sure how he does to be honest. Hopefully good enough since he will play a lot more this year.
mark is desperately trying to get the ball out as soon as he takes the snap. they all know reed is coming. its just a really horrible play. looks like it was meant to try and slow the blitz by hitting them quick over the middle for a few yards and making them stay off the line. there is also zero excuse for the 3 lineman bunched together in the middle blocking one guy, nor is there an excuse for having the wide receivers running clearouts in soft coverage. i could be projecting my hatred for schotty into this analysis, but it seems as though the plan was to trick the corners by running the route they thought was coming? if the guy is lined up 10 yards back, you dont run a streak.
This is no big secret. It was obvious Sanchez was banged up by the end of the year. We already knew about the neck injury from the Broncos game, but it wouldn't surprise me if he hurt something else with the amount of hard sacks he was taking.
1. I watched the clip again. stevepokal is right. Greene was supposed to go up the middle for a short pass. Flooding short field. JUST WHAT IS THAT PLAYCALLER THINKING? (Or maybe, Schottenheimer also directed the offense to flip the play, but the entire offense was so fucking stupid so they just played it out. You decide which is which.) 2. Obviously, it was hat-on-hat read. (Just... OH-MY-FUCKING-GAWD. Are we playing some pee wee football? Really??) In Sanchez's mind (and the entire offense for that matter) Ed Reed was covering Holmes. Sanchez does not even give a second look. Holmes was expecting to be covered by Ed Reed, so when he saw himself open, he immediately turned back looking for the ball. (And he saw Ed Reed crashing in to sack Sanchez freely.) I believe I pointed this out earlier too, but if you look at the clip, watch the direction of sight on Sanchez's helmet. He is looking right from the get-go. (Really. Fuck you, Cav. Just die in a fire.) Had he had correct sight adjustment, he would have easily noticed, by 3rd drop, that Holmes was open. It is not a problem of just a mere QB reading it wrong. THE ENTIRE OFFENSE FUCKED IT UP. The design is absolutely horrible. (If Holmes saw Reed blitzing, then he should have changed his route to any hot route like curl, hitch, dig, slant or what have you, instead of playing with his back to Sanchez all along while running out route. Oh well... it wouldn't have mattered since Sanchez's drop back mechanic is just so fucking horrible that he does not even see wide open WR on his left. But that aside, I see people blaming Sanchez making stupid mistakes - and he makes plenty, by the way - but I don't see why nobody picks these up at all. Either they don't know what they are talking about or they are fucking blind.) 3. I kept saying the design was absolutely horrible. Why? Look at the clip again. Jets are operating from the right hash mark. Keller is aligned off RT. Do you know what that means? Keller either is a blocking TE (Yeah, right) or he is totally ineffective as a pass receiving threat on this play. Why do I say this? It is because, if DE reroutes Keller, he will have to release as on a flat route (Keller can't be going deep here because of that.) Ok. That's all good and nice. Now, the problem is that, Keller is aligned off RT on right hash mark, so unless Sanchez throws the ball immediately off 3rd drop back, there is no way Keller becomes anything useful. By 2nd or 3rd progression, he will be near the sideline. (He will be receiving the ball out of bounds if Sanchez threw to him after multiple progression.) Look what Ravens did. That's exactly what they did. Bumped Keller off to a flat release, then raised the arms at the passing timing. So, in that regard, 2 of Jets target were out of play by design of Ravens D. If Sanchez does not correct his sight adjustment problem, he will live up to the bust billing all right. (Somebody shoot that fucker Cavanaugh for god's sake.) --------------------------------------- By design, Ravens had overloaded left side (Suggs/Reed) and Ferguson was thoroughly occupied absorbing Suggs (and he nearly failed at it too, mind you.) On the right side, Keller was there chipping the DE, but on the left, after Ferguson was absorbed taking on Suggs, nobody was there to soak up a blitzer. This is why I was asking if Jets used any sort of max pro at all. Greene should have been going to the left to block (1) and if there is no blitzer, then release to whatever. (2). It is an absolute horrible play design no matter how you slice it. (But whoever is responsible for this fucktard design is NOT responsible for the offensive ineptitude. That's all right. I've been through this bullshit for years by now.) ================================================================ End notes: I've been trying to reserve my opinion on Sanchez for some time, but if what I see from these clips is what Sanchez has to offer at his best, then I would have to say that he has bust written all over him. I have to wonder, how Jets scouting department could miss such a glaring flaw in throwing mechanics as this. I have seen Sanchez locking his sight down even before the play developed more than enough times. I can't believe any professional level coaching cannot catch this. It is a very critical flaw that leads to batted balls and INTs. (Yes. His accuracy suffers more often than not because of his incorrect sight adjustments. Defenders get a good clue as to where the ball is coming, who it is coming to and when it is coming.) Hell, ANY HIGHSCHOOL QB COACH WILL TEACH IN THE FIRST DAY OF HIS TRAINING. You will not telegraph your passes. You will see the entire field during the drop backs. You open up to the direction of WR only when you have made up your mind. In case of Sanchez, he is looking at one side of the field or another before the snap just way too often. I don't know if today's college football degenerated to the point where correct quarterbacking mechanics just do not matter. This is one of the most critical flaws that shouldn't even have survived any aspiring QB's highschool days, let alone college days. (And we are seeing this in fucking NFL for crying out loud.) Unless Sanchez can correct his mechanics, his accuracy will stay below average, and the offense will stay below average.
I am not sure at what point you are saying they knew Reed was coming. Before the snap? All this whining about one play's design. You can't separate design from execution. Every offensive set has within it the opportunity to do different things once the ball is snapped. That is up to the players. Also, we are after all talking about the Ravens and Ed Reed in particular. Shocking that a mediocre D like that would figure out what the best way to defend that play was. Give some credit to them, in other words. And if it was so obvious before the snap, how come Sanchez did not audible out?
Sigh. Yes, this excellent point is unfortunately on the money. I would only add that Sanchez's mechanics also contribute to his obvious lack of awareness when it comes to reading defenses. If you are locking down, you can't see the D with enough awareness. Perhaps Sanchez gets distracted by looking at where the defensive players are, and doesn't do enough of that because he doesn't want to be distracted. As for the Jets' scouting department....
Just a quick question here. If Shotty was a bad as EVERYONE here thinks he was, how come a successful, experienced NFL HC like Jeff Fisher, snapped him up as soon as he became available. Is Fisher an idiot? I mean if just plain fans can take a UTube clip and show how badly Shotty's play design was, how come Fisher can't see the same thing with all the resources at his command????? Or for that matter, why didn't Rex notice that his OC for 3 years was incapable of designing an offense and calling plays???? When are Jet fans going to realize that the problem is NOT with Shotty, its with the player running your offense. He is what he his. He's simply is NOT a consistent enough decision maker to be a QB who impacts a game on his own. That he is not accurate enough to make the players around him better. 60% completion rate is the Mendoza line of NFL QB's and Sanchez hasn't hit even that low bar yet. That being said, he is NOT a horrible QB. He does somethings very well. When he throws in rhythm, he is much more accurate. When he doesn't have to go to his 2nd and 3rd options, he makes much better decisions. In other words, he COULD be that QB that gets the Jets to the promised land, BUT....he needs to have a perfect team around him. While most teams are moving to a spread passing attack, the Jets are on the right track going the other way to a ground and pound approach. You have seen it for 3 years. Every time Sanchez has been asked to "take over" the offense, he results haven't been good. With an excellent running attack, and dominant defense, and Sanchez throwing the ball less than 25 times/game. The Jets can go far with Sanchez as their QB. Unfortunately,right now, the Jets DON'T have a dominant defense, and they DON'T have an "excellent": running attack. Until those 2 things come together, Sanchez will continue to be a liability, rather than an asset, regardless of WHO the OC is.
1. Fisher is a successful HC? Ok. Is Rex Ryan successful HC too by the same token? 2. Maybe Marty played some role. Brian's track record by itself does not warrant any coaching post in NFL of any capacity. Watch Rams offense this year. Bradford will be out by week 4 if he survives that long. You heard it here first. 3. When Sanchez had to carry the team, he stunk up every time? [YOUTUBE]TUY6sd3DJOU[/YOUTUBE] [YOUTUBE]C31fhwWApSA[/YOUTUBE] [YOUTUBE]q79rR_oDiKo[/YOUTUBE] He stunk it up all right. 4. Critical flaw in Sanchez's passing game, I have written above. No more comment on it. Clearly, Sanchez cannot see the whole field, so the offense benefits if they employ 3 receivers on any plane. Clearly, due to his horrible mechanics, horizontal game is not where he excels at - meaning, Jets offense need to flood one side line or another. As it happened, Jets didn't have anyone to go deep as the primary read last year, severely limiting Sanchez's effectiveness. I would like to believe that, most anybody can be coached to correct mistakes; yes. MOST anybody. not anybody. Karl Malone at his early NBA career was sub-par .500 free throw shooter. By the end of his playing career, his career free throwing percentage was close to 80%. (78%, I believe.) But on the other spectrum, there are the likes of Wilt Chamberlain and Shaquille O'neal, who never crossed 50% barrier. So... we will see if Sanchez belongs to Malone camp or O'neal camp. If he can't correct his throwing mechanics soon, Jets are better off without him.
Well its clear that Fisher made the wrong decision. YOU should be the Rams new OC, because you seem to think you are better qualified. Based on your own statements, I can't believe the Jets haven't hired you yet This Sparano guy has nothing on you. lol Fisher has had success for over 15 years as a HC. Rex has been one only 3 years. And don't you find it strange that a guy with his kind of experience. A guy who is running a Billion dollar enterprise would give a key position to a guy YOU deem as totally unqualified. Well you'll have to pardon me if I have trouble controlling my laughter while I contemplate this contradiction.
WHy is it so crucial to draw conclussions about Sanchez when he is only entering his 4th year? is he a perfect prospect? No he's not.But I'm just lost as to why dark siders & opposing fans have this need to sum him up in a paragraph when he hasn't even fully devloped. And for all the bad that is aludded to..what about the good? Although inconsistent the guy is capable of some phenomonel plays. I guess those don't matter though. For opposing fans...Sanchez is the biggest sticking point of weakness b/c of his growing pains..for dark siders...the end of the sanchez era triggers the radical roster turnover that these folks essentially crave after every season.
http://nyjetscap.com/Schottenheimer.html Do i really have to go back and post all the good, great and HOF type Qbs that were only average after their third season? Please tell me what receivers are still on the team from Sanchez's rookie season?
I don't disagree with Schotty being a terrible play caller. But the PSR does not show that Reed is blitzing. Everyone missed it. It was a great disguise by Reed. Had Greene known Reed was blitzing he would have had to pass block instead of run his route. I don't disagree with anything else you posted.
1. If the problem mostly consisted of growing pains, and adjusting to the speed of NFL, I would have to agree with you. Giving him more time is the only way to see him play better. 2. That said, the flaws I specified above have nothing to do with growing pains. The sight adjustment problem shouldn't even have survived the high school days, let alone college days. My [dark sider moment] comes specifically from this. If Sanchez played out his high school career and USC while having this problem all along (AND 3 more years at NFL) then probably he won't fix it. (Or he can't? I won't know for sure.) Muscle memory is a very powerful thing - you can never forget it. When you get tired, and your concentration level drops, the bad habits rear their ugly heads every time. It is thus absolutely crucial to not even start these bad habits at the inception - preferably, that is, during the highschool career. As for Sanchez, he not only plays with it, but also has had that for years by now. It was there by yesteryear, if at all. Do not expect that problem to be fixed this season - it won't. It needs to be fixed very soon though. I gave Karl Malone vs O'Neal argument above specifically for this reason. Just the problem is, QB's throwing mechanics is nothing like a free throwing for a PF. (A PF can be very effective while being piss poor at free throwing. A QB that can't pass well is useless.) 3. That said, it means that, once Sanchez can learn to play with correct mechanics, then Sanchez will become much more effective (and deadlier.) And better news is that, one of the most crippling problems has been identified. If these flaws catch the eyes of a laymen like myself, you can rest assured that it will be a coaching agenda for any offensive coach worth his salt. (But then, fuck you, Cav. Just die in a fire. Like really. You are a worthless sack of shit that can't do your fucking job right.) Probably Sparano is working hard to fix this problem even as we speak. So there is a room for hope. Yes, it is a big IF, but he has to learn to play with correct mechanics if he want to take the team to the next level. Once Sanchez learns to adjust his sights correctly and utilizes the whole field - you'd better look out.
Exactly, We are the same old Jets because as soon as we have new Qb no matter how successful there will be a large percentage of fans calling for his head. Sanchez is 27-20 as a Jets starter with four playoff wins. Please tell me the last time a Jets QB has had that kind of success? Give this kid a break he is on track to be a very good NFL Qb. Brees Roethlisberger Manning (Eli) All sucked in their third year.
Third season stats Starting Qbs Flacco Gp-Gs-Record-compl-att-cmp%-Yds-TD-INT 2010 25 BAL QB 16 16 12-4-0 306 489 62.6 3622 25 10 Roethlisberger 2006 24 PIT QB 15 15 7-8-0 280 469 59.7 3513 18 23 Shaub 2006 16 ATL QB 16 0 18 27 66.7 208 1 2 Manning 2000* 24 IND QB 16 16 10-6-0 357 571 62.5 4413 33 15 Hasselback 2001 26 SEA QB 13 12 5-7-0 176 321 54.8 2023 7 8 Fitzpatrick 2007 25 CIN 11 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 Moore 2009 25 CAR qb 7 5 4-1-0 85 138 61.6 1053 8 2 Brady 2003 26 NWE QB 16 16 14-2-0 317 527 60.2 3620 23 12 Sanchez 2011 25 NYJ QB 16 16 8-8-0 308 543 56.7 3474 26 18 Palmer 2006* 27 CIN QB 16 16 8-8-0 324 520 62.3 4035 28 13 Rivers 2006* 25 SDG QB 16 16 14-2-0 284 460 61.7 3388 22 9 The only QB that had more TDs passes than Sanchez in their Year is Manning and Flacco. Sanchez cuts down on his INTs and his numbers are pretty even with him sucking down the stretch. In reading this breakdown of Schotty's offense he should do just that. http://nyjetscap.com/Schottenheimer.html
See when you look at selective plays like that, you can see some poor mechanics, HOWEVER, anybody who paid attention can tell that his mechanics got worse as the season progressed last year because of the amount of vicious sacks he took. He was looking pretty good in the earlier portion. By the end he could barely take a snap without having to second guess the line and whether or not Hunter would give up an easy one on one block. He was shell shocked and hurt, so it's no surprise he struggled down the stretch. He didn't struggle all year, though. Yes, Mark's gotta get better, of course, but it's not all his fault, especially when you're fighting injuries and you are the 5th most sacked QB in the league. Some of those hits he took this year were brutal. Sanchez improved his TDs a lot this year. 9 more passing TDs than the prior year, plus 3 additional rushing TDs. That's +12 on the year. That is substantial, regardless of how you cherry pick his mechanics on certain plays and other issues. He did good for what he was working with.
Injured or not Sanchez needs to realize that turning the ball over is not going to fly this year with the JETS. All Tebow does is WIN, so if all Sanchez does is TURN THE BALL OVER then Tebow will be seeing more playing time.
