No it doesn't. You should compare him to another QB that didn't start his rookie year. Again, you can't compare them because they had vastly different roles. Tebow is a known running threat. The reason his throwing was successful was because teams expected him to run it every time. When he switched it up and did a deep pass teams didn't expect it, so it wasn't always well defended. These types of things affect stats like that. If Tebow threw more often, his ypa would drop significantly. This is true. Sanchez barely runs it, but he was very effective from the goal line last year. He had 6 rushing touchdowns on top of his 26 passing TDs. Yep. I definitely agree, it's way to early to dismiss Tebow.
Ahh more convenient stats. Denvers defense was better. Has better talent and got more consistent pressure. Carolina also got gutted on the ground to keep cam off the field.
That's cool. As long as you're not one of those guys that thinks that comparison is valid and means that Tebow is just as good as Sanchez, because at this point, that is not the case. I'm excited to see Tebow in his new role with the team.
Carolina was 25th in rushing defense, allowing 130.8 ypg. Denver's more talented defense was 22nd, allowing 126.3 ypg.
Considering that most of the season Denver's D had barely enough time to get off the field before Tebow went 3-and-out, I think they played absolutely amazing. The league average for possessions in a game, is 12. Denver's opponents averaged 13.5 possessions per game.
Agreed, and I wasn't dissing Denver's D at all, just trying to keep things objective, which I know is a big concern of yours as well. This is interesting... Opponent's average time of possession... Rank 24 Denver 2011: 51.55% Last 3: 47.08% Last 1: 44.36% Home: 52.89% Away: 50.22% 2010: 53.07% They did quite a bit better in T.O.P. in 2011 vs. 2010. Also, opponents plays per game was very slightly better in 2011 (66.0) vs. 2010 (66.4). Denver averaged exactly 66.3 plays per game in both 2010 and 2011. All stats above from http://www.teamrankings.com.
The run game actually wasn't all that great -- they led the league in rushing primarily because they rushed it so much. But it killed a lot of drives when they would call run, run, pass. Sure, Tebow would fail to complete a pass (it happens a lot anyway), but putting him in that corner didn't help. Plus they were so predictable -- it got to where I could spot that play every time where Decker sets up out wide, then goes in motion and sets up right next to the O-line, i.e. blocking for a run. They just never deployed what looked like a series of plays that worked well together, designed plays that look the same but do something different. Except Pittsburgh -- I've got to admit McCoy called a great game that game.
Its crap like this... If the Bronco's win a game... heaven help you if you say that Tebow won, or even had anything to do with it... it was the Team, in fact, they won in SPITE of Tebow. But when that same team runs up the middle 2 times in a row for 3 total yards and Tebow is forced to convert on 3rd and long over and over again with all his receivers running go routes, well then... TEBOW went 3 and out... interesting. Can't have it both ways
Yep, they were extremely predictable. A lot of folks blamed that on McCoy, but I do think a good deal of that is that they just weren't confident enough to let Tebow pass on first and second down. You could make a case they had reason for that lack of confidence. My take is that if they had a QB they were invested in when they let Orton go, when the season appeared lost, they would've just let him play QB and make his mistakes and come back next year. It was just a really weird situation with Tebow. They didn't believe in him (maybe with good reason), so they didn't try to develop him. But he screwed 'em up because he kept winning games. So then, when it dawned on them they could actually make the playoffs, instead of trying to develop him knowing the season was over, they did what his college coaches did, and put in the offense they thought they could win with. So the Broncos won, Tebow didn't develop his passing game, and they got rid of him when Manning became available. And please, this isn't a "poor Timmy" post. I honestly think they intended to try and work with him. I think Elway meant it when he said Tim's earned the right to be the starter going into training camp, which meant they would work with him. But I also think they were going to either draft a QB who would go in and compete or have a situation like Miami where they'd bring in someone like Garrard, and say, "Tim" you're the starter, until either the rookie or the veteran takes it away from you," fully expecting (maybe even hoping, in Elway's case) that one or the other would happen.
Wow, "league average" for "possessions" huh ? Wouldn't that be roughly 16 teams above and 16 teams below ? Furthermore, wouldn't that number be negatively impacted by a very porous defense that couldn't stop anything ? I mean, say, a team like the Pats scoring on every single possession in the first half of a game ?
Oh, the comparison itself is quite valid. Thing is though, you have to take other factors into acct. Just for the sake of argument, say that you agreed that it was valid to compare Tebow's first 15 starts to those of Sanchez. An issue arises due to the fact that you then have to factor in Sanchez's other 2 seasons worth of starts. In short, due to the fact that Sanchez entered the league 1 year earlier AND has been a starter since coming into the league, he has the benefit of a head start. He has 53 starts to his credit along with all the experience and development that goes along with those starts. Tebow has a total of 16. Now, we could debate whether or not Tebow would be a better QB than Mark was after he's racked up 53 starts as well, you know, "being roughly at the same stage of their respective careers", BUT, that's a completely different question than asking "who is better Qb RIGHT NOW?"
For all the kudos and accolades McCoy got for "tailoring" the offense to Tebow's strong points, the fact is, if that is what he really meant to do, he did a terrible, half assed job of it. The offense that Tebow ran at Florida was much more varied and complex than anything Denver came close to running.
I think they gave him the kudos because no one thought they would/should run that type of offense in the nfl. No one that knows the spread offense would say he called a good one.
Heh, yeah, didn't run a good spread offense and didn't run a good option offense either. Let alone an actual Spread Option offense
i dont like tebow because he is a terrible football player rudy was a nice kid also but nice and hard working doesnt equal good
Funny, out of the volumes of criticism of Tebow as a QB, I've not heard one player, coach, or analyst say he's a terrible football player.
Please tell me you aren't holding McCoy accountable for not installing a full fucking system in a few weeks time? Seriously, is there anything you wont blame on somone else. Tebow had 4 years under the Florida system and I am sure they made tweaks here and there and you expect an NFL OC to completely change an offense in about 3/4 of a season? WOW. All i can say is the NFL thought so highly of what McCoy did with a shitty QB that he had interviews for an HC job. Let me clue you in on something, it wasn't McCoy missing WR's and taking 15 seconds to throw the ball, Tebow is so bad THEY WOULDNT let him AUDIBLE because HE CANT READ A DEFENSE to save his life. Was McCoys play calling bland and predictable?YES. but not because he wanted it that way because HE HAD NO OTHER CHOICE.
