Here we go again Holmes complaining.

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  1. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

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    It is almost impossible to run the ball consistently in the NFL if you have zero threat of a passing game.
     
  2. chibucks

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    that's why we have tebow. he made it work. :rofl2:
     
  3. xc944

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    i guess you missed the facts thats holmes does beat woman
     
  4. Jake

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    I believe Aryans ran a similar offense (terminology-wise) in Shittsburgh where Holmes did some good things. He will pick up this offense fast. The entire passing game will depend on the OL though.
     
  5. tank75

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  6. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    2009:

    *QB Sanchez
    RB Jones
    *RB Greene
    RB Washington
    FB Richardson
    WR Cotchery
    WR Stuckey
    WR Edwards
    WR Smith
    *TE Keller
    TE Hartsock
    *LT Ferguson
    LG Faneca
    *C Mangold
    *RG Moore
    RT Woody

    2010:

    *QB Sanchez
    RB Tomlinson
    *RB Greene
    RB McKnight
    FB Richardson
    FB Conner
    WR Cotchery
    WR Edwards
    WR Holmes
    WR Smith
    *TE Keller
    TE Hartsock
    TE Mulligan
    *LT Ferguson
    *LG Slauson
    *C Mangold
    *RG Moore
    RT Woody

    2011:

    *QB Sanchez
    *RB Greene
    RB Tomlinson
    RB McKnight
    FB Conner
    WR Holmes
    WR Burress
    WR Mason
    WR Kerley
    *TE Keller
    TE Mulligan
    *LT Ferguson
    *LG Slauson
    *C Mangold
    *RG Moore
    *RT Hunter

    The asterixes are people who have been Sanchez teammates for each season he was on the Jets. It's only been 3 seasons at this point and he hasn't had a single WR as a teammate for the 3 seasons. Last year ALL of the WR's from his rookie year were gone.

    It's just really hard to come down on him for not keeping things together when the Jets have done such a bad job of keeping the personnel together.
     
  7. alleycat9

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    the fact he has different receivers is completely overblown by the sanchez apologists. first it was he needs better receivers. now its he needs receivers for longer. it will always be an excuse until he either does well or leaves.

    an out route is an out route, its the receivers job to be where he is supposed to be and the qbs job to throw the ball there on time. it doesnt matter whether you have done this hundreds of times or millions of times the mechanics of it should have been figured out at jets west last year in teh first hundred reps they took together.
     
  8. displacedfan

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    It is blown out of proportion, but it is still a problem that we can't keep a constat WR rotation out there. We do look better now having Kerley at the 3 and Holmes at the 1 now we just need Hill to be a decent 2 and there is a solid core for Sanchez or a new QB if that is our future.

    Hindsight is 20/20 but we messed up not trying to keep Braylon and Holmes. Foolishly thought we could replace Cotch with Mason and Braylon with Plax. I think the bigger problem was downgrading the talent not switching WR's. And on top of downgrading the talent, then switching to a passing attack philsophy after downgrading the WR talent.
     
  9. Br4d

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    There's a huge difference between having Calvin Johnson every year and having a different #1 WR every year. There's a huge difference between having Roddy White every year and having a different #1 WR every year. There's a huge difference between having Hines Ward every year and having a different #1 WR every year. There's a huge difference between having Greg Jennings and Donald Driver every year and having a different set of receivers every year.

    The facts are that the Jets had no WR's on the roster that they thought were worth keeping two years after they drafted Mark Sanchez. It's like a fool's errand to draft a franchise QB and then keep changing up his WR's year after year.

    The guys at the top of the QB rankings in the NFL got to throw to the same guys year after year as they were developing. Even if the WR's they were throwing too, like Troy Brown, weren't true #1's they got to keep them around so they had a safety net, somebody they felt comfortable throwing too.

    The Jets on the other hand decided that Mark Sanchez would become great without having guys around him that he was comfortable throwing too. The only receiver on the Jets who has been around since Sanchez rookie year is the guy he looks best throwing too: Dustin Keller.

    Trent Dilfer is right: the Jets have totally screwed up the development of their franchise QB and that's why we're not going to get the return on that investment.
     
  10. Demosthenes9

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    If you listen to QBs like Peyton Manning, they'll talk about how important it is to have familiarity and rhythm with the receivers. How it's important to practice with them over and over and over again putting in tons of reps.

    you say that an out route is and out route, BUT, how many yards is the receiver going to run before he breaks ? If he's supposed to go 12 yards, does he actually go 12 ? Or does he go 11 1/2 or 11 ? How long does it take him to cover those yards ? Is he quick getting out of his break ? Is he already looking for the ball when he breaks ? Does he square the out or does he drift some ?

    Yes, an out route is an out route but, most receivers run each route differently and that does become a factor.
     
  11. nyjunc

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    Cimnini made a good point in an article I read this weekend, w/ LT retiring 3 of the Jets expected top weapons going into 2011 are either retired(LT, Mason) or can't find work(Plax). That's putting aside the Ol problems, the run game issues the first half the year, etc... Mark was not set up to succeed last year.
     
  12. sg3

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    poor Dick Semen-i with another classic



    Mason was one of the Jets "weapons"?????

    a weapon of self destruction?
     
  13. FJF

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    to be fair he said "expected weapons" and he is right.they thought plax and mason were going to better then edwards and cotch.
    i.m.o. the o was going to blow up no matter who the wr were.
     
  14. Br4d

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    The offense blew up for so many different reasons last year that it's hard to list them at this point.

    Hunter sucked, Slauson was mediocre and got hurt, Mangold got hurt and missed a few games, Turner was out for the season so the Jets started their worst C in a long time for those games.

    Plaxico had lost a step and he wasn't all that fast to start with, Mason was signed because Rex couldn't get past the idea of bringing another Ravens player in even though he was ancient, Cotchery bolted because he felt disrespected despite his contributions, Kerley was a rookie.

    Tomlinson got old overnight as so many RB's do after 30, McKnight wasn't ready to go as the third down back, Greene proved unable to carry a major load again, Powell was Lost in Space all season (Danger! Danger! Mark Sanchez).

    The Jets decided to go pass-happy with three new WR's in the mix and no OTA's to install that offense, Schotty was his usual unpredictable self and the new WR's often didn't know what route they were supposed to run as they took their first step, Mark Sanchez was overwhelmed by it all and failed to progress on the season.

    And then of course there was the back-biting in the locker room, which did not start with Sanchez getting crucified at the end of the season. Mason, Holmes and Burress were all grumbling about the game-plan, Brian Schottenheimer, the offensive line, etc, starting very early on after the Ravens game. They only progressed to eviscerating Sanchez behind the scenes as everything devolved at the end of the season.

    To listen to the WR's last year the offensive problems were everybody's fault but their own. You can't fix somebody else's problems. The only problems you can fix are your own. If you're not trying to do that and pointing fingers instead, well things are just going to get worse and they did.
     
  15. tank75

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    how does having a +1000 yard season in an offense that underused the run and he got injured during the season prove that one is unable to carry a major load at rb?
     

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