we have NO OFFENSE....we have NO OFFENSIVE line.....and Sanchez will wilt under pressure .......8-8 is being nice.....this could be the year the wheels come off.when you can't score you can't win
Aren't you forgetting alittle stat about Super Bowl LOSER teams the following season? You're awfully confident given that fact.
How can you possibly say we have no offense? Holmes, Keller,Greene hell even Sanchez all have alot of natural ability.The team had 3 O-linemen in the pro bowl last year. How the hell is that "No o-line?" Does it need improve..yeah it does.But they have some awfully good pieces already in place. Much more than anyone wants to give them credit for. The Jets problem isn't talent.It's execution. Now there's no guarantee that improves this season...but a simplified approach & a an identity to live by could be just the remedy. And just think...with as bad as last year's offense was,in most cases they still put up points & won 8 games. All this offense has to be is FUNCTIONAL. Move the football...score every 2.5 drives & wear teams down with the running game till they give in the 4th quarter when they're hopefully killing the clock(Thank you Rex's D)
The 42 of you who voted under 10-6 .... I hope you trip and scrape your knees both of them like when you were a kid
as far as the NO things the Jets have in 2012 FIRST NO Brian Schottenheimer that alone is the biggest, most glorious, most wonderful improvement that the Jet offense could ever have possibly achieved over the 2011 team 19-0 GONNA BE FUN!! GO JETS
I bet a lot of people weren't voting less than 10 wins last year either. I wasn't. I think I picked them to go 11-5. I just don't see enough improvement. I see lots of "potential" improvement, but they need to show it on the field. Remember, the Jets didn't beat a single team last year that finished with a winning record. Shotty being gone is GREAT, but we replaced him with a relatively unsuccessful HC with no coordinator experience. We still have no FS, slow LB's and the Hunter/Ducasse combo. We seem to be putting stock in Landry and Schillens, who are seriously injury prone. Anybody who has a ton of faith in Sanchez is crazy. He may yet prove to be great, but he's a long way away from being elite right now. I'm not sold on a ground and pound combo with Greene/McKnight. I'm just not. Coples is a rookie. Expecting too much is unfair. That being said, it all could come together. I'm hoping like hell it does. I expected almost nothing in '09 and we were one half from a SB. You just never know. I just think predicting 9-7 or worse is far from crazy.
I voted 8-8 because I think last season's record was a valid indicator of where the Jets are at this point. I think they could catch lightning in a bottle in any number of ways and do much better than that. They could also catch an unlucky break and go to ruin in record time. It's not like that hasn't happened under this braintrust, it actually has happened twice already. I look at the Jets since 2006 and I see two teams that have had double digit wins. I see one horrible season and I see a couple more where the team collapsed down the stretch. Anybody who thinks the Jets are one of the AFC's top teams right now hasn't been watching very closely. We're not much farther from the bottom than the top.
Although I'm personally more optimistic there's some valid criticism to be made. There are a lot of question marks about the team right now. Hopefully they will turn into exclamation marks as the season approaches.
I can understand that but we went 8-8 not just due to the lack of protection and the schitty calls from our OC. There was no "TEAM", Rex was oblivious of what was going on in the locker room and how his mouth affected us. Resolving the OC ... hoping for a Healthy Landry and for our knuckle-heads to have learned from the stupidity that happened last yr. I don't think that's so far-fetched. The defense this year is not only on Coples (though the guy does look monstrous). Mo has one more year under his belt, he also played/knows Coples well. Maybin (bulk'd up) , Mo , Coples sounds like a good look :beer: Hill is also going to be big for us this yr I have a strong feeling about it, the kid has talent. It's all If's / Maybe's / Could be's but we should take in the positive about this off-season and analyze decently even with Schitty we went 8-8 . We GOT THIS!
yeah clayton was/is undoubtedly a 4 eyed nerd...but as I have said more than once before those two kids from Columbine might have had a little something there
16-0. flawless year, no points allowed, not even a first down, opposing teams actually will die after every game, jets ground crew forced to hire more people to clean up bodies, boosting local economy
I think this team is gonna prove alot of people wrong.Including irrational people on this board who seem to think they are smarter than the front office. Sometimes a team needs to imrpove from within rather than with outside sourcing(See last year's Giants). The Jets are poised to do that. They still have a top 10 possibly top 5 defense..& an offense that has the firepower, that just needs to work out the kinks in terms of execution. People have this idea that in order to be successful../the team needs to suddenly become a top 5 offense. That's simply not the case. All they need to be is functional. If people don't think the Jets have the firepower to be that, clearly their is a misinterpretation of the type of talent this offense has.
Well, first of all, the last five seasons include 08 when they were 8-3 before Favre got hurt, so that was unfortunate. But I digress. I certainly hope Sanchez does well this coming year. That would be great. I don't want to see Tebow at all, let alone replacing him. But... He was ranked 23rd for a reason, and that was with several obviously better Qb's not in the rankings for various reasons leading to them not playing enough. The O has three Pro Bowlers on the OL, Holmes and now Kerley, and hopefully some better production from the rest of the wideouts, too. I don't think much of hte RB's, to be sure. But the D was top five last year. The numbers say a decent performance by the O, mid pack instead of bottom quarter, and the D takes them into the top third, meaning a playoff team. Looking at the O, what were the main reasons the O was around 23rd rather than at least mid pack? Hunter, to be sure, but also Sanchez and all his turnovers, shitty completion percentage, holding the ball too long for sacks, the whole litany Sanchez Fans do not like talking about. I disagree with your take on how much he holds back the team. I think it is significant.
Kurt, I have some real hope that the wideouts as a group can be an upgrade over last year, and in terms of depth they could have more than even the Holmes Edwards Cotch team did. Could, but it is a realistic possibility. But that's not all the team would need to be a top five O. Imo they would need substantial improvement from 1. Hunter, coupled with no injuries to any other OL starter. 2. Sanchez. 3. RB's - better ypc and overall yardage, including replacing LT's near 500 yards in reception yardage. Do you really think the Jets are going to do all that?
i think you read that wrong.i think he is saying we dn't need to be a top 5 offenese.a middle of the pack offense and this d will be enough to be a contender.see 49ers
Exactly. The way the Jets are built right now just doesn't coincide with the high power passing attacks that rule the top 5 team offenses league wide. Ground & pound just will not accomplish that. But an effective ground & pound will do 3 things... 1. Win the field position battle 2. win the turnover battle 3. Wear down defenses for big plays late in the game All these things relate to winning football games. And although the passing game will not be elite...Holmes,Keller, Greene & maybe even Hill have the capability to make big clutch plays when needed. They just aren't gonna catch 10 balls for 120 yards a game.
Okay, I agree that the Jet O need not be top five to be adequate enough to be a playoff team. I am sorry for the confusion. Having said that, I remain skeptical it can be even mid pack. To be that, the Jets must show enough improvement. The four key elements of the O all had their problems, although imo the specific problems Hunter had, and the lack of bench help, made the otherwise above average look, at times, very mediocre. And as I said there is reason to be cautiously optimistic about the wideouts. But Sanchez? The RB's? Hunter? Question marks all of them.
