Here's a fun stat Combined career production of Dustin Keller, Santonio Holmes, and Shonn Greene 1160 touches 10581 yards 59 TDs Combined career producion of EVERY OTHER skill position player currently on the roster 252 touches 2005 yards 12 TDs Does that seem a little concerning to any of you? Or is depth completely overrated in the NFL?
Yeah youre right we have no good depth. We only have 4 good to decent (Holmes, Hill, Schilens, Kerley) receivers + 1 poor-mediocre (turner) receiver. Plus only 4 young healthy halfbacks. If only we were more like last year when we had Holmes, + old ex con out of prison as our only healthy receivers. And Greene + washed up LDT in the backfield.
You're not really addressing the point. None of those guys have proven they can be relied upon to produce in the NFL. That makes them unknown quantities, that's A LOT of unproven talent that the offense is going to have to rely upon to succeed. I agree with you that LT was washed up last year, but McKnight and Powell still couldn't beat him out for snaps last year. What's the reason for optimism?
The word you are looking for is experience. The Jets lack EXPERIENCE at the offensive skill positions. We have plenty of depth. Would you say that the Browns dont have depth @ RB because they dont have a ton of yards ? Because I think Trent Richardson, Montario Hardesty, Brandon Jackson, and Ogbonnaya is a pretty god damn group of HBs even if they only have less than 2000 yards combined. Teams can't always have seasoned vets at every position. Fortunately I dont think you need a seasoned HB to be successful, young guys come in the league and perform at a high level all the time. Receiver having seasoned vets helps, but so does athleticism. And I think we have a good combo of both. Superbowl winning catch wr, slot guy in his second year, guy with a decent mix of experience (with our wr coach) and solid athleticism (altho an injury risk), and then finally a incredibly athletic raw guy with massive potential. If there are two positions where young guys can consistently step in and succeed hb and wr are definitely them. If we had young inexperienced corners or a LT or something id be worried. But we have a bunch of young healthy guys ready to step up. And at the absolute least it HAS to be an improvement from last years shit show
Every team has holes, just wait and see. You can all say we filled all of how holes right now, therefore our team is flawless. As the season progresses we will have holes exposed, our secondary is questionable. Our run game is questionable, our recievers are questionable, our O line is questionable, our D line is questionable. Im not sure how you all can be so confident that we fixed everything.
Let me see this team week 1, before we proclaim them a playoff team. If we beat the Bills, ill be confident in this team in reguards to making the playoffs.
No, what I'm looking for is tangible evidence these guys are good enough to play in the NFL. As it stands right now, there isn't any. Doesn't it concern you that even guys like Schillens (4 years in the league) Turner (3) and McKnight (2) haven't produced? The way I see it, they have three good skill players, and a bunch of unknowns. That's not a good thing. Trent Richardson is the only reason to that group has any respectability. Yeah, it happens all the time. But McKnight and Powell still didn't do it.
Im not suggesting that everything is fixed, and that every hole is filled. Not at all Obviously we still have question marks at positions such as HB, WR, and Safety. However are we better at WR this year than we were last year ? Absofuckinglutely Are we better off with safety than we were last year ? Without doubt HB ? Once again an improvement. Obviously no team can ever fix ALL of their problems and have no holes whatsoever on their team. Its simply not possible. However the point im making is did we improve at every single problem from last year? I truly honestly think we did. Now that doesnt mean that were going to have a dynamite recieving corp. Im simply saying that im more than confident that Schilens + Hill who are both young and athletic will bring more to the passing game than old shitty Plaxico did. A better way of putting it would be like this. Imagine we had Kellen Clemens as our starting QB. Then this year we went out and traded for Fitzharvard. While Fitzharvard is a shitty below average QB, he would still be an improvement to our passing game. Our passing game still would not be great, but it likely would be better than it was under Clemens. Im simply suggesting that we went out and made changes like this across the board for every need. Some of them might be major (ie having Landry, Bell, Smith, Allen, Bush @ safety over just Smith + whatever no name shit we paired with), some of them might be minor. But at the end of the day I see that we clearly made moves to specifically address every weakness on the team. While theres always more work to do, I just dont see how anyone can legitimately see us getting WORSE at any position on the roster.
It still all comes back to the QB. If he plays like playoff Sanchez from 2009 and 2010, we've got a good shot at the postseason. If he plays like he did last year, we'll struggle to be 8-8 again.
Sure it concerns me, but let me ask you this simply. What would you rather have. Plaxico (old beat up out of jail slow), or Schilens + Hill + Kerley. Its a no brainer. Sure we dont have experience, but its unquestionably an improvement. Schilens biggest issue is health (he will only have a rotational role, sharing snaps with Hill as he grows and improves). Turner is our 5th guy. So obviously he shouldnt expect to do anything outside of being a special teamer. And hes showed that he can step in situationally and be marginally useful. Obviously I dont care what team you are if your #5 wr is getting substantial snaps youre in trouble, but at least he offers a semblance of usefulness. And it seemed that the focus with McKnight was clearly special teams, I mean most people would be pretty shocked and upset if a mid round draft pick came in and put LDT on the bench. And Powell (I am concerned about him) was obviously a project being groomed for the future. Now with them clearly planning on using McKnight more, I expect them to focus alot more on him playing in the backfield rather than special teams. While he may not be great, its only safe to assume that he will improve, especially getting all the more snaps in practice, as well as having actual OTAs and camps. Ganaway I LOVED the pick (I desperately wanted him long before we drafted him) so I expect him to be situationally useful and capable of spelling Greene. Obviously hes not gonna come in and be an instant stud, but he definitely adds something. And Powel I really dont expect anything from, however with a full year under his belt learning the team and speed of the game, as well as OTAs/Camps its possible that he actually could play some football. Not to mention Greene should continue to improve also since hes still young and has had some mechanical issues in the past (ie fumbling early on, pads too high, crappy confusing OL play). Im not expecting monumental improvements, but I think its safe to assume that most guys enter their 2nd and 3rd years often continue to improve. And even morose when they never experienced nfl otas/camps EVER.
The real question is Burress/Kerley (rookie)/Turner vs Schillens/Hill/Kerley (2nd year.) Last year, that trio combined for 82 catches for 1022 yards and 10 TDs. Are Kerley, Schillens, and Hill gonna do significantly better than that this year? I don't see much reason to believe so. The only reason that was the case was because he was clearly not good enough to get snaps with the offense. Just because they're forced to rely on him this year doesn't mean he's gonna be an improvement over LT. It's not safe to assume they are NFL caliber players. They might improve, but still not be good enough.
How about last year Kerley was hurt much of the year, and hes a WR which means getting timing down with the QB is hugely important. And because of the lockout he didnt get any OTAs/camps etc. So now that hes healthy plus has time to get on page with Sanchez, it only makes sense that he would improve, no ? I think he can do things that LT wasnt capable of last year. Obviously LT will still be better at picking up blitzes, but McKnight showed us what hes physically capable of on special teams. That means he has the potential to be dynamic. Im not assuming anyones anything. Just that they should improve, making this years roster better than last. Hell last year we were 8-8 and barely missed the playoffs. All I predicted in here was that it was very plausible that we make the playoffs as a wildcard, and are more than abled to beat up on a #3 or 4 seed team. I dont think theres anything too bold about that
But every team has young players and draft picks, and a whole bunch of guys who haven't gone through a full off-season with OTAs and mini-camps. Theoretically, they should all improve too. To me, I'm not interested in whether or not this team is better than the last one, the question is whether this team is good enough. I don't see much evidence to suggest they are. You also side-stepped my question, I'd like you to answer it for the record. Do you think Schillens, Kerley, and Hill are gonna significantly out-produce the 82/1022/10 they got from Burress and Kerley last year?
well i hope i am wrong but even if we filled our needs (which i am not sure we did), i think we have gone wrong in too many positions. We lack talent at QB, RB, WR, TE, LB, S, compared to other play-off teams. Again i am all for being proved wrong.
I think if we clinch a playoff spot anything can happen but i think we got great talent its just to use it the right way.
