Will our offense take a step back without Schottenheimer?

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  1. tank75

    tank75 Well-Known Member

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    exactly. ball thrown to mcknight=tipped pass or pick 6. hell the db almost had a chance at the pick with the ball thrown to keller.
     
  2. JUNJOBX2199

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    There is so much going on that's wrong in this clips then I can state in a Post. Right off the bat Sanchez Doesn't see the Hot read. The Wide out at the top of your screen is pushing the corner back and a throw this way is a first down. Number 25 at the bottom of your screen ; you would think is running the same hook route as every one out there,but well short of the first down. Notice the corner is way off past the first down marker, so That's by Design and Shotty's Signature Ineptness. Also Id like to know if that's Hunter down there letting that Orange jersey get too close to Sanchez forcing the throw on what looks like his second read.

    In short Id love to have a power house offense and Defense again. I quite Enjoy taking the ball and ramming it down the opponents throat. There has only been a few years when I have been able to see the Jets Get the ball and just know they will generate points.
     
  3. patfanken

    patfanken Banned

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    This was an interesting play, Brad. If Shotty drew it up so all 5 of his WRs would turn for the ball well in front of the first down, then your criticism of him would be justified. I just don't believe it. I can't believe that a guy who advanced to the HIGHEST level of football coaching would draw up a play that would be ridiculed at the HS level.

    Its the execution that is horrible. Only one of the receivers in this play even GETS to the first down marker and HE has his back to the play when the ball is thrown. All the rest of the receivers make their cuts a full 2 yds infront of the marker and NO ONE is in position to run after the catch.

    Like I said, if he drew it up that way, then he was a dunce, but I find it hard to believe.
     
  4. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    You are blessed because you didn't have to go through this bullshit for full 60 minutes, for minimum 16 games a season, for 6 years. If you had been on Jets bandwagon for the past half decade, you couldn't possibly be convinced otherwise.
     
  5. displacedfan

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    I wish I could find it hard to believe also, but after watching him for 6 years this play design fits Schotty's perfectly. It makes you wonder how much pull connections and last names gets you in the NFL...
     
  6. Bellows1

    Bellows1 Well-Known Member

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    He is a dunce, I'm sure he did draw it up that way, and probably ran the same play on second down.

    Most OC's find a play that works, then run it until it stops working. Shotty is just the opposite, he'll find a play that doesn't work, then run it until it does...or the game/season is over.
     
  7. alleycat9

    alleycat9 Well-Known Member

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    remember how happy everyone was when the jets got rif of paul hackett?

    now everyone is SOOO happy to get rid of schottenheimer....

    ted cottrell anyone?

    bob sutton?

    yeah the list goes on and on and on.... everyone hates either the OC or the DC on a yearly basis. then they get replaced and everyone has a hard on for the NEW GUY... THEN as soon as the guy does something that somebody doesnt like they start the hate.... and the circle of hating the coordinators continues.
     
  8. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    So is the offensive coordinator responsible for drawing up the play, calling the play in the right context or having his players execute it well?

    My vote is all three and contrary to your opinion I believe the play was poorly drawn up. It started with a spread set which brings the defenders up closer to the line of scrimmage and then it obviously called for a short throw into a well populated area wherever the throw ultimately went.

    It was poorly called because if you're going to call that play you don't do it in a situation in which there will be undue pressure on the QB to complete the pass (e.g. 3rd down) because if he forces a throw there is a reasonable chance the defender will take a pick-6 to the house.

    It was poorly executed for many of the reasons that you point out,

    That makes Schotty 0-3 on the play. Poorly conceived, called in a bad spot and then poorly executed.
     
  9. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    The Jets are a .500 team. That makes them just good enough to frustrate the fans on a regular basis without ever getting the big win that takes the pressure off.

    The talent is .500 talent give or take a few wins from year to year. The coaching is .500 coaching with the same variability. The front office is a .500 front office. The owner is a .500 owner.

    It just is what it is.

    Giants fans have been pretty pissed off at their coordinators over the years too but they've gotten some big wins recently so you don't see that frustration boil over.

    For the record, I don't think Schotty was a .500 offensive coordinator. I think he was worse than that but it doesn't really matter since even if he was a .500 offensive coordinator that would have gotten the fans riled up after a few years.
     
  10. CBG

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    I don,t think the OP has a legit question,,,,,,I mean if Shotty was still here we might go backwards but when you are already at the bottom there is no where to go from here but up / forward !
     
  11. jerseyjay14

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    HAHAHAHAHA BWAH BWAH BWAH BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHA HAHAHA AHHA

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    Oh man... that was a good one
     
  12. jerseyjay14

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    My personal favorite

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    lets put 10 guys right near the line of scrimmage on a pass play from our own 4 yardline!

    1 man passing route for the win!
     
  13. jerseyjay14

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    Stop it.

    its 3rd down and he has all 5 guys run routes SHORT of the market... and those routes all require the reciever to STOP and TURN THEIR BACKS TO THE FIRST DOWN MARKET/DEFENSE.

    lets also not ignore that mcknight is outside, require the ball to travel further/longer in the air. if mcknight gets that, his back is to the defender, who probably sticks him right between the numbers.
     
  14. jerseyjay14

    jerseyjay14 Well-Known Member

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    In both instances, its on him.

    if its the play design it was awful design.

    if it was the execution, thats on him, as he is the head offensive coach, and is the one coaching the execution as well. its a play im sure they ran several times before in practice. and if SEVERAL guys arent running it properly, that only makes him look worse.
     
  15. Br4d

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    There's just no point in calling a pass play in which you spread everybody out and keep them all close to the line of scrimmage. If you're going to do that you're going to minimize the advantages of spreading people out in the first place which are to reduce the number of defenders around each receiver and give the QB clearer reads.

    If every receiver in that pattern had been running a slant/go route then at least the Jets had the upside of possibly scoring a TD off of a blown coverage. All that the 5 hooks did was to give the defenders a better look at the ball than the receivers and guarantee that the guy with momentum on the play was wearing red.

    Any play that is more likely to score a TD for the defense than the offense is asinine.
     
  16. laxin

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    Which is why Sanchez threw the pick on that play... How can you look at this and NOT think that Schotty was bringing this offense down and that the offense should take a step forward without him??
     
  17. displacedfan

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    There are 3 different offensive guys blocking nobody. (7,8,9)

    There are also two options to pass to on the play from our own goaline.
     
  18. Br4d

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    7 is Wayne Hunter who based on his results last year just didn't understand the zone blocking scheme very well. Not blocking anybody occurs fairly often in zone-blocking but Hunter was on the edge of an ineligible receiver penalty on that play. Another step or so and he is downfield and the flag gets thrown.

    Having one WR go downfield in that situation was again asinine. That means the FS is guaranteed to be over the top and the WR is going to be at least doubled. In this case Holmes was bracketed by a LB and the FS and also had his man on him. What kind of result is that going to produce throwing from your own 4 yard line?

    90% defensive score within a few plays and 10% first down. Only somebody who was really out to lunch would have called that play in that situation. For most of his 6 years on the Jets sidelines Schotty was a bemused individual who did not have a clue what the right call was in a given situation. His offenses were not prepared very well to try to execute his bad calls.

    Whether things will change for him in St Louis next season is unclear but it is almost certain that if he is making the calls they won't.
     
  19. Zach

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    8 and 9 are RECEIVERS. (Oh my fucking God. That is Matthew Mulligan. Was he supposed to receive pass or block? Now I don't know.)

    And behind the LoS.

    Just sheer brilliance.

    But Schottenheimer is not to blame on this one. It is the shitty execution that foiled the play.

    But it isn't Schottenheimer's fault.
     
    #99 Zach, Jun 10, 2012
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  20. Brunell's Debt

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    No matter what you think of the play design (and make no mistake, it sucked,) that was still an inexcusable throw by Sanchez. You can't ever throw into triple coverage, under any circumstances. Especially not from your own goal line.
     

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