So it is Schotty's fault for trying to turn a 5th overall pick into a guy that can carry a team by himself? I'm not on a side here btw I just question this overall notion that Mark is going to improve just because Schotty is gone.
He may well not improve. I'm just saying trying the same thing over and over with the same bad results was rather foolish on Shotty's part. Mark did better as a QB when we called fewer passing plays. Marks draft status at this point is irrelevant, we can't get a refund, we need to find the best offensive system that is suited to him.
Agreed but there is the other half of the fanbase, that doesn't have the same perspective as you, that would blame Schotty for holding Sanchez back if they weren't opening up the playbook for him. The OC can't win in the eyes of the public any time the QB is not playing well
I'd be one of them. If he was playing well, making good decisions on the field... I do not like the G&P game, I think it's outdated in today's NFL unless you have a shut down defense (we don't). I'm willing to write off last season as a few bad decisions from the FO, losing key players and the replacements not working out as hoped (RB, #2 WR, Kick returns) along with poor $ management. This year I think we'll do better, but really after next season we will have a lot of money off the books. We have a few good picks this draft who are signed long term. With another good draft next year and money to spend in FA, 2013 is where I'm looking.
1. It is not Schottenheimer's fault trying to turn a prized 5th overall pick QB into a franchise QB. That is what any offensive coordinator worth his salt is supposed to do. 2. That said, Schottenheimer is not qualified for that. Take the run game for instance. Whose credit is it? Is it Schottenheimer's schemes and designs that kept the rushing attack going? Or is it Callahan? Why was Callahan brought in, in the first place? That's more or so because Schottenheimer couldn't pull his head out of his own ass when it came to designing plays, both rushing and passing included. It took a Rhode Scholar calibre of a QB to just fiddle through his mess of a passing designs. Many here laud Schottenheimer for the 10-6 record in Mangini's rookie year, but make no mistake about it - not a single team took the Jets seriously that year, and smokes-and-mirrors, with teams taking the Jets lightly, worked in conjunction. If at all, Schottenheimer's misdirection plays failed to make a dent against an adequate defenses, let alone good ones. After the first year, Schottenheimer's schemes were ineffective mostly. Now, add Schottenheimer's tendency to sit on the clock, and there you have it. Offensive nightmare. No QB under his guidance succeeded on a consistent basis for a reason. Keep that in mind. 3. Is Sanchez going to improve just because Schottenheimer is gone? That remains to be seen. I am not on that camp either. Sanchez does have a few shortcomings and weaknesses, while he has shown flashes of "greatness" as well (like marching down 80+ yards with 1 timeout and less than 1 minute to go in regulation - that was something Pennington could never do here in NY.) It remains to be seen whether Sparano can eliminate the plays that magnifies Sanchez's weaknesses while maximizing what Sanchez does well (roll-outs and play-action passes) If Sparano can do that, then Sanchez will improve. If not, we all will be calling for Sparano's head by the end of the season. 4. So is there NO room for hope? I wouldn't go that path either. If my assumption is correct, Sparano will come in and install Erhardt/Perkins system. (That's a tried-and-true system from New England, popularized by Parcells coaching tree. Belichick/Payton/et al all run that system.) The good thing about that system is that, the offense does not have to assume a preset modus operandi. It can adapt to the personnel present in the roster, the philosophical change in OC and whatever have you. So it took a shape of hard-nosed smashmouth football during Parcells' reign in Giants and the Jets. It featured a elite feature back with strong running game, complimented by deep passing attack from the QBs. (Phil Simms and Testaverde all benefited from this.) When it came to the New England, however, it showed its true color; during the championship days, Belichick ran it like Parcells did, with feature back (Dillon) and a game-manager of a QB. (Brady) These days, he runs the offense like west coast offense, with not much of a rushing threat to speak of. Thus, you can see how versatile the system is. You can custom-tailor the system to fit the personnel you have. (Schottenheimer's offense does not allow this.) Now, if the system takes a friendly shape for Sanchez, then it will prominently feature a powerful rushing attack. (which goes hand-in-hand with Ryan's preaching.) It will give Sanchez easier and safer read at QB play, so if these things DO happen, then you should expect Sanchez to improve. (It turned a bust like Testaverde into a pro-bowl QB after all.) What I did not like about the off-season move in terms of coaching staff move was that, when Sparano tagged along, I was expecting someone from Parcells coaching tree to come in as a QB coach. (I hated that Cavanaugh fucker as well anyway. I was thinking Dan Henning, like seriously.) As it happened, this didn't happen so I don't know how well Cav and Sparano will work in unison when it comes to developing QB.
Clearly you haven't Kurt. But like I said, I understand how the myth helps you ease your pain Well this is a flat out lie. I NEVER claimed the Pats didn't do anything wrong and I challenge you to rebut it. Kurt you just can't lie and make things up. OK well occasionally I'm guilty as charged, but not always. Besides as a Pats troll, that's kind of my job. :wink:....just as long as I take the time to justify any ant-Jet opinions. I could care less about Alosi. He took the heat for what was obviously an illegal tactic designed by his bosses. I only point it out as an example of other teams trying to get an advantage, and the hypocracy of some Jet fans who think the own some kind of moral high ground.
Oooh look at the contortions the defenders of cheaters have to go through. Well, they don't really "have" to, but they seem to think it worth the effort. Nobody is fooled, however. That about covers it.
No, It is Schotty's fault that he thought he could do it with a QB in their third year with an injured o-line and patch work receiving core.
Just in case you want to hear what Rex said instead of just let the media form your pea brain opinions: http://www.newyorkjets.com/photos-and-videos/videos/531-Coach-Ryan-OTA-News-Conference/fc67f02a-b757-4a69-94e2-6e98c530a1ae from 3:30 to 4:20 Ryan was not saying Sparano is some guru. He was saying that he is one of the best in the league at avoiding accruing negative plays in the two minute. Holding guys accountable, keeping his players focused. Something that everyone from coach to player has attested to in both Miami and now with the Jets. I don't know why Jets fans would get bent out of shape about Rex saying positive things about the guys in this organization, and I don't know why it's interesting to opposing teams' fans. Well I guess I do, when they don't read for themselves and allow Cimini to form their thoughts. For anyone to argue Matt Moore over Sanchez is clearly just here to antagonize and/or doesn't watch the game (with objectivity) closely enough. Sparano was limited offensively in Miami, as evidenced by their overwhelming focus on O in the draft. And it started with getting someone besides Matt Moore. Sparano may not be a genius, and he may not turn our offense into a juggernaut. However, I'm sure he is not a "bean counter." He is vouched for by Coughlin and Parcells and has been a part of a highly successful Cowboys' offense and a head coach in the league.
On Spygate: if no unfair advantage was gained by the Patriots: Advantage: if no advantage, why do it in the first place? Unfair: if not unfair, why the penalty, why the scorching of the evidence? You think they added this camera rule in 2007 after Mangini called out Belichick because the NFL had to do something to address the issue. Wrong. All NFL clubs received a memorandum in 2006. That means that either BB was too brazen or didn't read carefully enough, although I think it's pretty clear. As we all know, twice a year match-ups happen all the time in the NFL. As is the case with the Patriots, who are a successful franchise. Typically, they play at least 17 games a year (including the divisional round) with 13 of those being AFC opponents (12 reg season). The unfair advantage quote meant that the advantage was not gained DURING that game. But to have a rewindable study method? Sure-fire, no doubt about it advantage. The Patriots are a great franchise and during their Super Bowl run in the early 2000s were staffed with great players. To some extent, they undoubtedly still are. They still have the same great head coach. However, since this tiny, negligible thing Spygate happened, the Patriots have yet to repeat that penultimate level of success. The NFL and its fans (not just the Jets fans) recognize Spygate as an actual, historical event that changed the game to some degree. So yes, other fans will "cling" to it to "help us feel better" and you will always say the game was affected to a minimal level. That's the nature of it, not sure why you're expecting any more.
Fair enough, thanks for the sincere reply... I expect the mandated ball-busting about Spygate, I know it's inevitable, but I thought you were maybe turning it into something it's not. To which I would have called shenangins. :beer: Ken's just doing what every Pats fan does until they're tired of doing it (which is where I'm at). No one is 100% right here, and no one is 100% wrong.
He clearly states in the two minute offense "nobody has done it better in the last two years" Sorry, but that is just not correct.
No, It's Schotty's fault that most of his pass plays took 3 days to develop. Sanchez in a more competent offense, should approach a 90 QBR. (Over 85).
He is working with the players the GM provides. Also, from the Baltimore game on the team knew the o-line issues so it sounds like the head coach should have done a little more head coaching instead of letting the OC continue to try to air it out the way you are suggesting he did. That is complete speculation since we have only seen Sanchez in a Schotty offense. I don't get what is so wrong about taking a wait and see approach on this.
