Not that it matters, but your logic is flawed on that one. That Denver traded Tebow would only mean that THEY didn't think he was a franchise QB (just like SD didn't think Brees was). That the Jets picked him up might just call into question whether or not they think Sanchez is one. FWIW, my take on it is that the Jets do see him as the Sanchize, but that he needs a little bit of prodding to really step up and take the reigns. Depends on the situation. I'd say that coaching staffs definitely give 1st round, top draft picks much longer to develop. When you have a regime change though, the dynamics change completely. It's understandable on a number of levels. First, different people can have varying opinions on a player. With some players, there is a consensus of sorts, but with other players (such as Tebow), there's polarization of opinion. Secondly, when a new GM takes over, he often wants people that he has selected for key positions. It's his neck on the line, and if his job is at risk, he wants the people that he thinks is right. Take a look at Oakland for example. Hue Jackson has a pretty good reputation amongst many in the NFL, but a new GM came in and fired him. Oh, and with Brees, Rivers and SD, the thing to look at isn't only when SD let Brees go, but the fact that they took Rivers in the first round of the 2004 draft, which was only after Brees' third year, but only his 2nd as a starter (2002 and 2003).
No, things like this don't happen when a new regime comes in a year after drafting a QB in the first round of the NFL draft. Tim Tebow was a special case, because none of the evaluators in the Broncos system thought he could play QB at an acceptable level in the NFL. Him having the worst completion percentage of any QB to start 10 or more games in a season since at least 2002 certainly had something to do with that. His 46.5% completion percentage was more than 2 pts below the next qualifier of the last decade. The Broncos moved heaven and earth to get rid of Tim Tebow because they recognized that he was a dead end at QB and also that it was going to be hard to get rid of him because he had the Ferris Bueller thing going in overdrive.
It tells you one other thing. The NFL in its entirety a league with a handful of elite QB's, a league that continually over rates QB's by putting insane draft positions on them was only willing to give up a 4th round draft pick for a very young QB. His value in the NFL was established in an open market after he actually had a body of work in the NFL as a starting QB. If I recall Brees coming off shoulder surgery was still a pretty hotly pursued commodity. The Saints did sign him to a 6 year 60 million dollar deal.
Nope. Only two teams were interested, and the Dolphins passed in favor of Culpepper. Brees himself has said this in interviews -- that it motivated him, all the teams that were not interested.
They were concerned about his shoulder. They did not want another Chad Pennington NO took a big risk that Drew Brees would come back as good as before the injury. If Drew Brees never got hurt in SD they might have resigned him over rivers.
If they thought that Brees was their franchise QB, then they wouldn't have been looking to draft Eli Manning with the first pick in the draft. Manning said that he wouldn't sign with SD, so beforehand SD worked out a trade with the Giants. SD took Eli with the #1 pick, then traded him for Rivers (who the Giants took with the #4 pick) and a couple of draft picks. That was in the 2004 draft. Drew Brees didn't get injured until the last game of 2005. So, you had a completely healthy Drew Brees starting for the Chargers, yet they used the #1 pick in the draft to go out and get a QB.
And yet they still kept Brees around and there was no question he was a good QB when they let him go to FA. The question was about his shoulder. Trying to compare the Brees situation to the Tebow situation is a joke.
Did you forget what happened in that time Brees sucked until they drafted Rivers. Rivers was supposed to be the most NFL ready QB coming out of the draft Brees then had two great seasons keeping Rivers on the bench. In year three they had a decision to make trade Rivers or pay Brees. Brees got hurt on the last day of the season making the decision a no brainer. http://www.nctimes.com/sports/footb...cle_d96a7a6a-5c49-5985-be29-235642f68509.html
It does not matter a lot of great QBs including one Aaron Rodgers sat on the bench for a while before becoming a starter. There is no one that would argue including Rodgers that he was a much QB when he became the starter than he was as a rookie. We have even seen a rookies thrown to the wolves to quickly often fail. With Sanchez's background in college it really is pretty amazing how well he has done his first three years in the league. With that being said the training wheels are off and he needs to take a big step forward this season.
60 million 6 years 8 guaranteed coming off of shoulder surgery. Miami was interested they just weren't convinced about his shoulder and the Saints blew them away. Saban made a bad mistake but it was based on dollars and injury not talent.
The thing that forces a lot of people into rushing to judge QBs is because we have seen QBs just step up immediately be on playoff teams. Big Ben, Flacco, Ryan all came into the league and started and were QB of successful teams. It was actually a surprise these young QBs were coming raw and producing. I still think that what happened is rare and not the norm, but because of the recent success people expect the normal thing is a QB comes in and succeeds when that isn't the case. Rivers sat, Rodgers sat, Brady sat, Brees sat, Eli sat, Big Ben sat for a game and was forced in due to injuries. I believe the plan was for him to sit also but he ended up starting most of his rookie season. Basically what I am saying is that I think Ryan's, Flacco's, and Big Ben's rookie seasons and early career as a QB and team has changed the perspective of young QBs when in my opinion what they did is rare, not the norm
Problem with your completion rate rant is the Broncos were in the top three in most drops by WR's in the league last year. That never gets mentioned when looking at Tebow's completion percentage. Manning will soon find out that Decker and Thomas will be messing with his numbers too.
Sure it does, it gets mentioned by the teboi cult all the time. What you guys ignore is that it's a lot harder to catch an off target, wobbly pass than a spiral that hits a receiver in the hands in stride. Watch how few passes the Broncos receivers drop this year.
Until Tebow slims up he will not be a good QB. His bulk prevents him from having a quick release and proper throwing motion. There is a reason QB's are not built like FBs.
Tebow is only a little bulkier than Cam Netwon and Newton does okay. His size lets him play a more diverse game
He already is a good NFL qb and he is just getting started. Just because he is different than anything you have seen before doesn't mean he won't be great
No excuses needed, Greatest college football player of all time. First season starting in the NFL takes a pitiful 4-12 team to a division title and a playoff victory over the AFC champions with 300+yds passing including and 80yd td pass for the shortest NFL postseason victory in the history of the league. Now you please give me your petty, hateful excuses...
Enjoyed your prayerful sermon in adoration of your St Timmy Heres my responsive reading.... Never was an NFL QB Never will be an NFL.QB Unfixably bad passing mechanics Just a brainwashed never ever JUST LIKE YOU Sent from my SGH-T679 using Tapatalk 2
