I am pretty sure the cap hit of trading Revis would be 3.3 million this year which is manageable. The pain would be next year when it is $12 million
if he signs a new deal with the team we trade him to would that not void his current deal making this a non issue.... Tanny is a pimp
The problem is the prorated bonus money already paid. It will hit our cap if he's traded, 3.3 against this years cap and the rest against next years. It wouldn't work.
Some interesting points there. I've always felt that Revis is a phenomenal player, but that all he actually does is make it a 10-on-10 game. It's the next 10 best guys on our defense against the next 10 best guys on their offense. A dominant pass-rusher can account for two or even three offensive players on every snap.
Try to respond as if you were an adult please. Name calling is juvenile. We are all entitled to our opinions. Disagree all you want but do so as an adult. I feel MEVIS is allowing this farce to go on. the press is enjoying it and selling papers. The Jets have a fragile enough lockerroom without MEVIS fanning the flames of holdout. The man should learn to negotiate behind closed doors and not in the media.
One who didn't analyze that play, might say that. Brodney Pool and Revis disguised their coverage to force Romo into what seemed like a safe throw. It was a set up, and it paid off. Yes, the Darelle Revis pick won us that game. He caught it and got us into field goal range to kick the winner. The offense got the ball and moved us nowhere. I don't know why people always discredit our team's good play by claiming the other team screwed up, so the play wasn't as significant, somehow. CB play is an integral staple to our defensive success the past 3 years. Even with all the screw ups from Eric Smith and our vulnerability to the run we still finished 5th overall last year.
I'd argue that was the scheme and not the talents of Revis. Most any NFL CB would have made that play if put in the same position. Revis is an amazing player, there was nothing special about what he did on that play though.
first off thats not pure speculation, rex has said multiple times that without a shut down corner like the revis the defense wouldn't be able to blitz like at all. Also why can't I compare brees and revis? both are the best players on the team and brees has already been offered then declined a contract that would make him the highest paid player in the nfl also id expect us to get paid in draft picks mainly for revis and who the hell would trade the best player at the position for prospects?
Its this thread again! Revis has Skills and there is no denying that period. Not many Corners can run step for step with some of the NFL's fastest players , but that is exactly what he does. Now for his inability to put rumors and innuendo to bed , I cant stand him and think he would do much better for some other team in the NFC. Id like nothing more then for him to be a Jet for life, but he will hold out again and if not this year then the next. Money! :up:
As much as I love Revis for all he has done as he has become one of my favorite Jets, I don't think I could stand for another hold out like 2 summers ago. It would be nice to see how truly dominant our defense could be, with Revis shutting down the other teams number one receiver and an improved pass rush to add to that, but at the end of the day he is just ONE player (even if he could be one of the greatest ever at his position). This would be his 3rd training camp holdout, if the previous 2 contracts we negotiated with him during his other holdouts didn't satisfy him then it's time to say goodbye. We can't keep having to deal with this every 2 to 3 years, seriously how much money does he really need. It's a team game and we don't need this sort of distraction after the team chemistry problems we had last season. If wants to pull another holdout trade him to a shitty team willing to throw the cash at him he's wants, for high draft picks and a capable starter at right tackle or corner back. As I mentioned if our pass rush becomes as good as it can potentially be, the loss of Revis for can be somewhat negated for one season and we could always draft another corner next year who can contribute. Even if someone who takes his spot isn't as good but can still play we'll still live. Having someone as good as Revis is a luxury for any defense but not an absolute neccessity if we have a dominant pass rush. The giants are a prime example of this.
I felt like I had to chime in on this one. It's clearly frustrating that Revis is not diffusing the "holdout" chatter with a simple "I'll be there for training camp" statement. However, his camp clearly thinks that the "leverage" of having the potential for him to hold out can perhaps help grease the wheels for a new contract. Additionally, his group probably views the media storm surrounding this issue as a good thing because it puts additional (but weightless) pressure on the Jets to do something about his contract. Revis clearly does not personally like discussing the subject, as evidenced by his reactions to all of the questions during OTAs. His representatives are playing a stupid game because his leverage is not real, as his contract has clauses built in to make it difficult for him to hold out again. I think it is clear that this is all a bluff, and there is very little chance that he will actually hold out, and if he does, I certainly will change my opinion of him. I don't think any of this will work, the Jets may try to rework his contract after the season, but definitely not before. I blame his representatives for having this strategy and him for choosing these representatives.
As far as Revis' value to this defense, I agree that cornerback is not the most valuable position, however I feel like a lot of you guys are underselling his value. I think if you were to get Rex or Pettine's honest opinion on Revis' value, they would say how extremely valuable he is for the reasons most of you have already heard; that he allows you to scheme the defense to either funnel the ball to him or have other guys now in a better position to succeed due to improved numbers. A lot of you are throwing around the statement that he simply makes the game 10 on 10, which I don't think is completely accurate. It's still 11 on 11, but the team's first WR passing option (and generally the team's #1 passing option) will now go from being a high percentage play to being a low percentage play. Revis was better at covering his man than most teams were at covering the same guy with two of their players. This is in addition to now having better matchup advantages in being able to send another guy on a blitz or have another guy in coverage on someone else. I feel like 2009 in particular really showed how much of an effect Revis could have on the entire defense. Despite Revis already being known as a top corner, the defense was schemed such that presnap read would make it seem like throwing to Revis' side was the best option. He was thrown at 96 times that season, the 5th most of any cornerback in the league. The results: For Revis - 6 Ints, 31 passes defensed, best yard per attempt against in the league. For the Jets - #1 pass defense in the league, opposing QB rating of 58.8(!), and this was with only 32 sacks, good for being tied for 18th place in the league. Not only that, but he even made Dwight Lowery and Lito Sheppard look good, they were 3rd and 6th, respectively, in burn rate, essentially completion percentage against. http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/8882/jets-cbs-dont-feel-the-burn It's true, in the AFC championship game the Jets pass D was exposed, at least in half of that game. The exotic blitzes, that were designed to confuse, if not actually sack, the QB worked for a little more than the first quarter, before Peyton Manning's timing offense was able to adjust. Momentum swung, and the slot corner was burned a lot. It is difficult to defend the slot receiver, even with 2 players, because of the variety of routes they can run, if the 2nd player is covering a zone, there can still be holes where it is pretty much still going to be one on one. The Colts, and specifically Manning, were able to take advantage of the fact that they had at least 3 receivers who could potentially exploit one-on-one matchups, particularly due to Manning's abilities. Every defense has ways to counter it, and that year, if you had 3 WRs that could win one-on-one matchups with their counterparts, you could exploit that weakness. The Jets response: upgrade corners 2&3 so now you still win the matchup battles against teams that can spread you out 3 wide. Kyle Wilson is still developing, and he's had his share of ups and downs his first 2 years. Additionally, teams have adjusted to some of the looks the Jets were giving them that first year. Still, the Jets' passing defense the in 2010 & 2011 - 6th & 3rd, respectively, in QB rating against, was not too bad. The Jets' defense from 2009 to 2011 were based on a stout front 7 against the run & funneling passes either to Revis, the teeth of the defense, or bringing additional pressure from the secondary. In 2012 it appears the defense will be a little different, going for a faster and more versatile group of in-the-box players, allowing flexibility to have guys adept at stopping the run, as well as covering the more prevalent larger, athletic tight ends. The constant, however, will be a defense which has a cornerstone in Revis that the team can design its schemes around. This article from 2009 sums out how good Revis was that year: http://www.freakonomics.com/2010/08/23/a-football-outsider-answers-your-questions/
The player is what makes the scheme effective, not just in that play, where you have a fair point, but in general. The fact of the matter is, despite what the Revis Haters here pretend, is that if your #1 CB cannot play man coverage effectively against your opponent's #1 wideout, you have to spread the rest of the D thinner to help him cover that man. It's quite simple, but a point the Revis Haters fail to acknowledge, time after time after time again. You have to wonder why.
Call me a Revis hater then. I think what you Revis apologists fail to recognize is that the value of a Effective VS Elite CB. I would argue, the money is better spent on other positions (OLB, RT, S) than the negligible difference between and elite CB and a high quality CB. Is our defense better or worse with A) Revis and our current cast B) Cro, Wilson, FA Nickel back, Elite Pass rusher (Mario Williams, Suggs, ect…)
The Rex system plus Darrelle Revis is not good enough to beat a great QB at the end of the season. It's not good enough to beat a well-balanced offense at the end of the season. Given that's the case and that where the Jets want to get is the Super Bowl I think it behooves them to go spend their money on making the other team have trouble defending them, no?
