Nobody is saying that the prior success is "100% related to cheating" but there certainly is a comparative percentage associated. The real punitive effect of spygate has come since the sanction transpired. Yes the Patriots have been a successful organization since. But if you think the team is as well rounded & dominant as they were prior to spygate you are surely mistaken. They've gone 10 years without an SB. Let's be real. My point is not to discount the Patriots status as a top organization league wide.Rather..I'm calling to mind that the "Glory days" you all try to throw in jet fans face comes with some serious controversy. And it's a controversy that still adversely affects the organization in an indirect fashion on the playing field as well as within the fan base.
.No, you have YET to document a single fact, that states otherwise. You just can't deal with the truth, when a lie can make you feel better. And if you are incapable of responding with a single thing to support your own position, you just excuse your self from the discussion and continue your delusional rant the next time Jet fans feel the need to over compensate for their own team's decades long failures
For some...football fandom is religion. In many of these Patriot fans's mind..the espionage sanction is like some sort of "bloody mary/candyman" urban legend.Like it never happened. Even worse, they've found ways to either downplay the actions or frankly rationalize it as reasonable behavior. Remove the logos from the situation and think about that. A team goes to illegal measures to basically extort opponents & remove all the competitive spirit & fairness that NFL Football is supposed to represent. They think this was & still is ok.
I am just shocked at the level of simple intelligence from this community. Why can't you get a very simple concept. NOTHING that the Pats did in 2001,2002, 20003, 2004, 2005, and 2006 was against ANY rule or policy, or memo or anything else. Nothing that the Pats did wasn't being done by every other team in the league. Why is it that Jet fans can't seem to get this simple fact. Why do they seem to feel that they can just say "NANANANANANANA your team cheats" and somehow its becomes true. And you don't need to back it up. you just need to say it over and over At least I'm open to the possibility that I'm wrong. Its just no here is offering me any proof.
You're out of your damn mind. You think you can just come on here and tell everyone that the Pats did nothing wrong from 2001 to 2006 and all of the sudden that makes it a fact? As your "evidence" of this you post something that says absolutely NOTHING about what you're claiming. You're way out in left field buddy. The entire football world knows the Patriots titles are tainted with cheat. Your claims that they didn't cheat don't change that. You telling us WE are the ones that need to PROVE the patriots cheated is a fucking joke!
http://thesportslawprofessor.blogspot.com/2007/09/bill-belichicks-interpretation.html If you read this article/blog (written by a law professor), you might at least understand where patfranken is coming from. It was never 100% clear before Spygate whether videotaping signals to be used after the game was a violation of league rules. The memo sent by an NFL VP was very direct and clear. However that memo misquoted the leagues rules. To this day, the bylaws that were referenced in that memo are quoted in media articles, and by posters on forums like TGG, however people don't seem to realize that those rules (as quoted) never existed in any official document. You can certainly make an argument that the Patriots went against the intention of the rules, as written, but I challenge you to find rules in any NFL handbook (prior to 2007) that specifically forbid what the Patriots did.
I didn't get much further in this guys shitty blog than him saying he couldn't actually find the manual for which he was about to try and legally dismiss. From there I don't see much more than a cool story bro.
Finally a good question. They were punished for blatantly ignoring a league memo which forbid the use of cameras on the sidelines to tape signals and down and distance. IIRC the memo was issued in the off season before the 2007 season They were warned and continued to do it.....and were rightfully punished, even if the memo made little sense. What I am questioning is, how a punishment for an infraction committed in 2007 has anything to do with Super Bowl wins that occurred years before when all taping was perfectly acceptable. Long Time and Bradway have no answer to that, yet continue to blather, bloviate, and b!tch about a crime that didn't occur...except in their heads. So sad.
So basically what your saying is "Yeah, I got NOTHING" except to repeat the same lie over and over. And Yeah, the Pats DID do nothing wrong from 2001-2006. Please. I beg you, for your own sanity, if nothing else, to show me even one piece of evidence where the league punished the Pats for anything done before 2007. One piece of evidence that showed the Pats were "cheating" before 2007. Ball is in your court. Let me understand this statement. You are saying YOU can call the Pats "cheaters", and never have to prove they they were. Rather I have to prove that they weren't. Using the same logic, I can call you a wife beating, child molesting, Taliban loving terrorist, and never be required to provide any evidence, rather you now have to prove your innocence. Yeah, That make sense
It's not necessary to respond when the Boston media was so obliging in neatly summarizing most of the major aspects of the saga. http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extras/spygate/ Contrary to the spin that's being used now to justify the cheating it was indeed against NFL rules for teams to use electronic devices to gain a competitive advantage during the course of the game. The fact that the Pats effectively cheated for future games during the current ones does not change that fact. As in most major scandals the cover-up was nearly as bad as the cheating itself. The fact that the NFL chose to destroy the tapes made in 2006, a year right before the Pats went 16-0, tells you how worried the NFL office was that the tapes would be seen as a major factor in the Patriot's successes. Having to effectively wipe most of the first half of the decade from the record books would have been a black eye that the NFL would have sported for quite a long time. They took the defensive measures of destroying the evidence so that nobody could ever be sure exactly how much effect the taping had had on future play. Unfortunately their desire to cover up the scandal resulted in the really effective punishments going off the table. Those being the banning of Bill Belichik and the assistants in the taping program from future employment in the NFL and major sanctions on Bob Kraft for having allowed this to happen in his organization. If the NFL had been able to follow the discovery of the cheating to it's logical conclusions the league and the fans would have been better protected against teams deciding that gray areas provided effective cover and deniability for semi-related blatant cheating.
One myth I would like to dispel is "Stephen Hill would have been a top 15 pick if..." That is false. The point is he is a very talented prospect who, if in a different offense and with a better QB, could have been a top 15 pick or we could have seen that he struggled running routes other than deep routes. Plus we don't know how well he is at beating a jam, which is crucial for any deep threat. If the consensus were that he "would have been a top 15 pick if..." he would have been picked top 15.
Pats kicked ass in the Draft and are the cream of the crop. Jets are playing catch up. Stephen Hill is a potential BEAST though. That's all.
BB and the Pats organization are proven cheaters. They got a huge penalty by the NFL for cheating to gain an edges against the rules and spirit of the league. They are convicted felons. Both the 2002 Steelers and the 2005 Eagles claim the Pats D was calling out defenses that were an outright answer to everything they called on O. When the Giants had 2 weeks to prepare after the Pats stopped cheating the Pats had no answers. You can gleen whatever you want from that but we are talking about a convicted cheater who runs the Pats football operations.
