Do you watch football games? Watch some damn highlights man its so freaking obvious... ITS THE ONLY ARGUMENT I NEED SHAWN! I know your holding out for yourself boy but this Tebow homerism has blinded you Sent from my ADR6300 using Tapatalk 2
I am not a Tebow homer. This shows how bias you are accusing people with no proof. You think anyone that says anything positive about Tebow is a homer. That is not true. Look what I have said about Sanchez: Oh and since you mentioned highlights, look at these and educate yourself. [YOUTUBE]OzdspnasHpw[/YOUTUBE]
I mean I can make this list about Sanchez's first two NFL season (I didn't follow Sanchez pre Jets). Remember how he started 3-0, then had the atrocious Buffalo game, then crushed the Bengals and everyone predicting the Bengals laid down to the Jets just so they can beat them the next week? Then again for his second season for so many things and HK and the distractions. I could make a list like this for a lot of athletes. Anyone that wasn't great since high school hasn't been scouted and has a chip on their shoulder. We can ever make one for the Kentucky basketball champions this year. I can make one for John Caliperi. I could throw one together for Kobe also. He has doubters like everyone else. We could even do this for non athletes, companies, products, ideas, etc etc. Just because he did something unexpected doesn't mean he will keep on doing it.
All I'm saying is that Tebow does not have the fundamentals to run a pro-offense and start for the NY Jets. Nothing to take away from Tebow he's an excellent football player and can do wonders for us on the field, once again I talk about Tebow from a Quarterback perspective not as a football player. Everyone here wants to talk about Tebow starting as a QB for the NY Jets - and to me it's bullshit and it brought a lot of negative attention to our team. For that I put that on the front office. I support Sanchez because he gives us the best chance to win week in and week out. I'm not saying the dude is perfect, but this whole QB situation since Rex came in was handled in the worst way - and I just don't respect fans that think Tebow is a legitimate NFL QB. I am against anyone that thinks he should be the starting QB. btw the highlights you provided are a bunch of run plays, broken plays, and Tebow sprinkling a good pass here and there.
Tebow is going to be even worse...I mean the kid gets his first offseason to work with starters and coaches who not only believe in him, but want to play his style. I can't possibly see how he will improve. :Sarcasms off
Tebow is a legitimate NFL QB. Right now he's not a legitimate starting QB for any but 2 or 3 teams, the Jets not being one of them — he's definitely got some things he needs to improve if he's ever going to rise to the ranks of legitimate starting QB. It's reasonable to think he can't. I'm of the opinion he can, and sooner rather than later.
Yeah he has always been a hard worker so he has that going for him. An interesting note that could be an indication of Tebow's futures as a starting QB is how defense now attack Cam Newton after getting a year of tape. While Tebow and Newton are not completely alike, defense could attack and plan for them in generally the same way.
He very well maybe down the road but right now he's absolutely not. I think he's at least 2 years away from that happening. Well see how faster that release is when he has blitzing linebackers come at him And you can't compare Tebow to Newton. Newton broke the rookie record for passing yards and while he's a threat to run. He can beat you at anytime with his arm also. Tebow can't do that. Not on any possession Sent from my ADR6300 using Tapatalk 2
Nowhere on this forum have I ever compared Tebow to Newton. So unless you're arguing a point made by someone else, not sure why you'd bring that up.
The Newton comment wasn't directed to you it was more the legitimacy of Tebow being an NFL QB Sent from my ADR6300 using Tapatalk 2
Yah, and I saw the person above your post commented on what I said with a reference to Newton. Honestly, I think if Tebow can get his completion percentage to even the mid 50s, he'll be more successful than Newton. But I recognize that's a pretty significant "if". So far, what I've heard out from his new coaches is encouraging.
The question is whether or not Tebow is coachable or not. Up until now in his NFL career he has not been coachable. The Broncos had to change around their offense when they put Tebow in. They did this because he was unable to run their basic offense despite having been in their system for his rookie season. And yes, the lockout caused all sorts of problems, but Tebow had 2010 to pick up the system and he wasn't able to do that well enough for the Broncos to do anything but switch their base system when they installed him. Now you get to the mechanical problems that he still has. He's theoretically been working on correcting his exaggerated throwing motion where he goes almost sidearm in a long extension as he sets up for the throw since before the NFL draft he was selected in. He still has the same long windup and hitch in his motion. No two passes come out looking the same unless he's throwing the long ball. His inability to correct his throwing motion is another example of lack of coachability. Finally, you have his inability to read defenses. He really doesn't know where the defensive players are going to be after the snap when everything goes in motion. This is not so much coachability as it is pattern recognition. He hasn't been working in the kind of confusion that the Jets mutant offensive system produced and thankfully he won't have too. However he still is going to need to make a major leap forward in his ability to read NFL defenses before things like his mechanics and the inaccuracy they produce become the hurdles he has to get over.
Newton is already miles ahead of Tebow and I don't see Newton looking in his rearview window for Tebow anytime soon. Newton is going to be an excellent player for the Panthers for the foreseeable future. Tebow has the playoff win and the division title but the AFC West was so God awful that even the Chiefs with all their injuries were in contention. Tebow has a LONG way to go. If he wants to be successful he has to learn other ways of being effective in the NFL besides being a QB. No one will wait for him to develop once that first contract ends. He needs a niche Sent from my ADR6300 using Tapatalk 2
I wasn't comparing the 2 for anything past how defenses will try to stop them. Right now defenses have a whole season of a better dual threat QB in Newton to prepare for. It will be interesting with how they come up on how to stop Newton. That same typical strategy will be the blueprint or a hint on how defense will plan to attack Tebow. Newton is the better QB right now, but the blueprint for defenses on how to attack them will be similar than lets say the blueprint to stop Peyton Manning. Tebow and Newton are similar QB's in the style of offense needed for their greatest succes, thus in my opinion defense will try to attack them similarly. Seeing how defenses attack Newton will give more insight on if Tebow becomes a starting QB again, how they will attack him. The defense started to get familiar to Tebow and stopping him later in the season, but to be honest defenses did a decent job holding him to under 20 points multiple times but didn't have the offense to go over 20 themselves.
The teams the Broncos lost too after installing Tebow as QB: Lions 45-10 Patriots 41-23 Bills 40-14 Chiefs 7-3 Patriots 45-10 Basically any team that had a high-powered offense was very likely to blow the Broncos out because the Broncos didn't have a good offense at all. The eye-opener was the loss to the Chiefs, who had a terrible offense and a mediocre defense. That was the game that probably pushed Tebow out of town, because when you can't beat a 6-9 team at home that is scoring 7 pts on the day, well then who can you reliably beat? The win against the Steelers was great but that win was largely because the Broncos were at home and the Steelers really didn't play very smart defense. They didn't play as if they were the better team, they played like gambling underdogs and lost.
What? Tebow and Newton are nowhere near the same type of QB. Newton plays in a traditional offense can make all the throws and uses his legs as a bonus when the play breaks down. Tebow had to have an offense created just for him that was predicated on the spread offense. Newton broke the rookie passing yardage record Tebow through for what five yards? I am one that is not ready to jump on the Newton band wagon he has shown to be inaccurate at times and that second year does get harder. If he progresses like everyone thinks he will he will be a top 5 QB by year 4.
I'm afraid you are mistaken. The offense they've built around Newton is very innovative, not traditional, and uses his running ability and passing ability from the shotgun, with some option mixed in. It may be comforting for you to think Newton "uses his legs as a bonus when the play breaks down," but Newton had more rushing carries and yardage than Tebow this past season. The Panthers offense shows how many route concepts can build off of a shotgun quarterback who can rush the ball.
You are right Cam Newton and Tim Tebow are the exact same type of QB. Let me ask you this how many games has Tebow thrown for 400+ yards? How many Yards did Tebow throw compared to Cam? Cam is working on getting better under center and will have to to live up the bar he set this year. But Cam showed he has the ability to throw the ball Tebow has not. Cam was a Rookie and played a full season which explains the attempts he is a better runner which explains the yards. I stand by the game plan to stop Tebow will not even resemble the game plan to stop Cam. You have got to kidding me with this crap.
