By the middle of November Santonio Holmes is going to be anonymously praising Sanchez to anybody who will listen because by then Tim Tebow and his option game will likely be the Jets main scheme and we're all going to discover in a hurry that being able to complete deep passes against 8 men in the box isn't worth anything at all to the intermediate receivers. Tim Tebow completed 35% of his passes thrown from 11 to 20 yards last season. He had a 64.3 QB rating on those throws. That's not a typo. That's 10% fewer completions than you need to be an average starting QB in the NFL. Sanchez wasn't great at that range by any means but he completed 47.8% of his passes for a 92 rating. People just don't understand how bad Tim Tebow was last year as a passer. His numbers look better than they should be because long passes against a bunched defense give you good numbers. At the end of the season the NFL was having the strong safety focus on Tebow and leaving the FS deep to help out the corners. Tebow's numbers plummeted at that point. It was only the Steelers stubborn refusal to play the deep zone that let Tebow do what he did against them. The Steelers have always attacked the line of scrimmage and they did that against the Broncos and left their corners man-to-man against the deep game.
I'll make you a deal. I'll stop defending Tebow in any number of seemingly unrelated threads, if you, and people like you, stop throwing his name around and flat out making crap up about him. To whit, in the game against Pittsburgh, Denver had 5 big plays. Guess what ? On three of those 5 big plays, Pitt was playing Cover1. You know, the "deep zone" that you referred to ?? Hell, on the TD pass to Royal in the end zone, the commentator even discussed the fact that Tebow LOOKED the safety off, causing him to move across the field and out of position.
Since when is Cover 1 a "deep zone"? I'm not quite sure what Bradway was referring to when he used that term but I can just about guarantee he wasn't referring to a deep zone with 1 safety.
At the snap on the OT TD the Steelers had 11 men within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage and in the box. They didn't just have the strong safety in the box, they had the free safety in the box. As the receivers release deep and the Broncos went deep on both sides of the field, you see two corners man to man with other defensive players belatedly chasing them from a position of hopeless disadvantage. There is no safety in centerfield at all. The safeties were both 5 yards from the line of scrimmage at the snap and NOT dropping into zones. That's what I meant about the Steelers attacking the line of scrimmage and getting caught with their corners man to man deep. Here's the link. You watch it and tell me what you see. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zuUIhv8z3M Edit: when the ball is released by Tebow the Steelers still had 9 men within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. You see Mundy just getting turned around as Thomas blows by him. He never catches up to him after that. He's the guy who should have been over the top if Dick LeBeau doesn't go brain dead for one of the few times in his coaching career. The Steelers gambled up at the line of scrimmage and got burned in a very uncharacteristic way.
Hmmm, he wasn't referring to a deep zone with 1 safety? You sure about that ? Let's take a look and see: Cover 1 is leaving the FS deep to help out the corners. He (the FS), doesn't have a specific receiver to cover, therefore, he is playing a "zone" coverage, i.e. DEEP ZONE.
Yep, you are right on that one. On that specific play, the Steelers were in single coverage. Again, that was on the one play in OT. I'll go ahead and tell you that one of the big plays in regulation play was against Cover 0 as well. Then you should have been more careful with your words. Again, let's look at what you said: I don't see anything narrowing the statement down to focusing on one single play. The simple fact of the matter is that if Tebow hadn't of killed Pitt in the second quarter, then the game wouldn't have even gone to OT. What defense did Tebow do most of his damage against ? Cover 1, the defense you said the rest of the NFL uses to stop Tebow. Now, if you want, I'll grab screen caps from just before the snap of each of Tebow's big plays and show you the coverages that the Steelers were using, coverages that Tebow beat.
Look, Tim Tebow is a crappy QB. He's a good leader but he's a truly crappy QB. He looked horrible, much worse than Sanchez, at the end of last season. He had one decent game at home at altitude against the Steelers in January and suddenly people are forgetting that he's a crappy QB. Bill Belichik reminded us all of that fact a week later. He's going to happily remind us of that fact for whatever number of snaps we choose to give Tim Tebow against him as the starting QB. I'm not going to drink the koolaid and happily watch as the Jets install a QB who has no business playing QB in the NFL. It's just not going to happen. Woody Johnson wanted to sell some PSL's. I understand that, it's an important motivation for him. But he's saddled us with a truly crappy QB who in all probability will be the starter by mid-season and barring an epic collapse very hard to get rid of in 2013 either. I have some number of years as a Jets fan left at this point. Probably not a huge number. I could do without the owner playing fantasy football with the QB position for most of that time. He's done the fantasy football thing already with Favre and maybe Sanchez. We didn't need him to bring in an H-back as the next guy.
Actually, I think it might be you and others like you who are forgetting that Tebow was a YOUNG QB with less than 16 starts under his belt, and that YOUNG QBs often have trouble in their first couple of years. As has been done repeatedly, you can compare the stats from Tebow's first 16 starts to those of Sanchez and Eli Manning, and guess who's stats come out better ?? What Belichik did was highlight the fact that Mike McCoy was out of this depth with the offense he cobbled together. The Pats ran a 5-2 and McCoy didn't know what to do against it. If you will, it's like when Buddy brought out his 46 and it killed teams for a couple of years until they figured it out. Actually, Woody "saddled" the team with a very good football player who potentially can become a very good QB. In the mean time, he'll add a number of positives to the team.
You do remember that drive Tebow had against Rex's vaulted defense last year, right? Fact is, Sanchez is a dick and sucks at football. The dude is at least 50-60% to blame for all of our problems last year and can pretty much guarantee that we will never win a Lombardi so long as he's behind center. And btw, do you REALLY think that we only got Tebow to sell PSL's? You really need to stop reading the papers and look at what Tebow can do on the field. Tebow is a proven winner and will take this team places once Sanchez gets pulled mid-season for being total garbage.
You do remember the Tebow led the Broncos to a whopping 7 yards per drive prior to the one scoring drive he led them to all game right? You do remember his defense and special teams putting up more points on the scoreboard than his potent offense, right? First of all, how exactly is Sanchez a dick? Secondly, he had a poor final quarter of the season last year but we've done pretty well with a guy who "sucks at football" at QB before that haven't we? Thanks, can you get me the lotto numbers too? Sanchez isn't a proven winner?
Tebow is the winninest crappy QB in the league. Won with the league's 23 rated defense and a team that was 7-24 in their previous games before he started. Yup. He stinks.
There are lies, damned lies and statistics..............Wins and Losses and making the playoffs are the bottom line. NYDORK is on to something. Like the truth.
I pray that Tebow will continue to be so blatantly ineffective at passing that the FO can't consider using him in any traditional QB role...thereby forcing them to use him for only what he's good for; and sparingly at that. Luckily I have God on my side. And Tebow's arm.
How about giving us the numbers on what both did on passes over 20 yards as that was the thrust of the first line of your post.
Man for a guy that is the worst QB ever he did pretty good actually, With a dog crap 7-24 team all the way to a playoff victory .
I have my doubts that Tebow can take over the base offense if Sanchez gets injured or pulled. I accept Tebow's winning history in Denver, but that was in an offense tailor-made for his strengths and skills. It would be one thing if the Jets offense was based on the Wildcat, but it's not, and it's doubtful that things would ever move to that. Sidenote: How much fun would it be if some team drafted Collin Klein and traded for Tebow and installed a Wildcat offense? A man can dream...
I just love reading how these Tebow nuts take up for him. Every time I want a good laugh I come in here.
The most popular offense in college football is the Spread Option now, and all the OC that are coming into the NFL now are from Spread Option offenses in college. The top draft picks like Weeden and RG3 come from Spread Option offenses. Cam Newton came from a Spread Option offense. In the NFL because you have to make these rookies comfortable and because the guys calling the plays are also the ones who were calling the Spread Option, its taking over the NFL by storm. This is the future of the NFL. The New England Patriots used a modified version of Urban Meyer's Spread Option offense in 2007 when they went undefeated (regular season) and broke all kinds of records. The Spread Option is changing the NFL. Tim Tebow will be fine. He's gonna replace Mark Sanchez. The team will win more games as a result. Holmes, if he is upset, it will fall on deaf ears when the team is winning, that is all that matters. I would not go solely by what Tebow did with Denver in terms of passing because Denver did not focus on the pass: They were run-first to the extreme, often in a very predictable way. Denver has not developed quarterbacks since John Elway retired, so they're not a good measuring stick for the progress that Tebow can make. But seriously, this forum needed another Tebow thread? Why not post this in one of the other Tebow threads?
