Landry/Bell both to start

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  1. jetlife21

    jetlife21 Well-Known Member

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    Leonhard really should get a shot to come back and try to earn his starting spot back in camp
     
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  3. Green Hurricane

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    It's a run stopping, man coverage defense, the safeties responsibilities will be to support the run and play zone behind everyone depending on downs. Expect Kyle Wilson to be on the field as much as the other four true starters in that secondary covering the 3rd WR or a zone (likely to the TE side if no 3rd WR). No safety in the league can stop the monster TEs, but a system that has size speed and hitting ability can.

    Guys like Harris and Davis can force passes high, and safeties like Bell and Landry can hit. Leonard and Pool couldn't do anything against them, too small to cover and not strong enough to scare anyone.
     
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    Are you kidding me? Some of the worst moments of the season came because of poor plays by him. He probably is the reason Rex has confidence in Tebow. He totally blew a tackle there, he blew a tackle that led to Cruz getting a 99 yard pass play, Leonhard saved his ass against the Cowboys on that Witten play. For a guy who supposedly is a liability in coverage but a sure tackler, he sure does blow a lot of crucial tackles. Theres no two ways around it. Eric Smith sucks. He can't cover Rob Ryan let alone Rob Gronkowski and he's an overrated tackler. Him leading the team in tackles is about as useful a stat as Brian Thomas or Aaron Maybin leading the team in sacks. I usually agree with a lot of your posts but I dont get your respect for Eric Smith's game. He's a liability!
     
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    http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/42449/catching-up-on-the-afc-east

     
  6. jjb333

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    Yeah, this.

    No defense is perfect. With Revis, Cromartie, and Wilson, your best bet is either with a not-so-perfect pass rush or a not-so-perfect safety duo.

    Let's hope we've solved the former, at least.
     
  7. JetsFan

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    We have two rookies I like and two new starters a really like, but none of them have ever played in this defense before. We need Jimmy back to teach and be an insurance policy, if nothing more.

    These two young guys could benefit greatly from Jimmy teaching them the defense.

    Sign Jimmy for league minimum and some incentives.
     
  8. Big Blocker

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    I cited facts. You cited your opinion.

    That covers it.
     
  9. Big Blocker

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    Excellent post. I am not sure what you describe is something that in practice will succeed. BUt it comes as close as anything offered by anyone to explain what Ryan might be actually thinking.

    Ftr, I don't place much stock, as of yet, in Kyle Wilson, but other than that...

    It seems the Jets plan on using at least some of the time, in some situations, on having two natural SS's on the field with no real FS. This is one way to make it work. Neither safety has the role equivalent to the center fielder, but both are assigned areas and/or assignments on coverage. Given the ability to have man coverage from the two starting corners, those assignments can be made smaller and less manageable. When the safeties play zone, even when the corners play man, they can handle it as simply as one on the left, one on the right.

    No need to get into all the possible permutations here, but the basic concept might work.
     
  10. GMCJETS

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    Jim Leonhard is a gamer I just dont see him being the effective player that he once was anymore. If you want him to teach then maybe he should be hired as a coach. We cant fill roster spots with well liked guys if they arent going to be able to play the game.
     
  11. Bell & Landry are essentially your 1st & 2nd down safeties. Jets base D is clearly built in the same vein as Baltimore & Pitt. Stop the run, be physical, be disciplined. Bell & Landry can handle that role & well. Fill the run lanes, be a presence over the middle & don't get beat deep.

    I doubt you see both Landry & Bell in on 3rd downs. That's why they drafted Bush..he'll be the deep center fielder.
     
  12. TwoHeadedMonster

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    You're right, Coples is too small to play DE in a 3-4. I mean, the guys who had the most success from that position were 6-5, 268lbs, 6-3, 256lbs, and 6-4, 265. Coples is only 6-6, 285. He'll get thrown around just almost as badly as HOWIE LONG, LEE ROY SELMON, and BRUCE SMITH (the heights/weights listed above).
     
  13. Nilton

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    Looks like someone else will be directing the defense. Good riddance to smith.
     
  14. GMCJETS

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    Safety LaRon Landry has not been a regular participant in the Jets' offseason program, and he was absent for the start of the organized team activities today, a person with knowledge of Landry's participation level said.

    That person requested anonymity because the team has not shared the attendance for the voluntary offseason activities at the facility. The only mandatory part of the offseason is the veteran mini-camp in June.

    Landry and the team never shared with the media his offseason training arrangements when he signed with the Jets in March, but Landry did say he would be at OTAs and mini-camp and participate "as much as possible."

    The former Redskins starter is coming off a season-ending Achilles or heel injury -- the Redskins called it an Achilles injury, but Landry said it was more of a bone injury -- that he elected to rehab without surgery. He and the Jets expect Landry to be ready for the season, but GM Mike Tannenbaum admitted it would be a "challenge" and said they would rely on a "partnership" between Landry and the training staff.

    The reason for Landry's low participation level this offseason is unclear, though he did usually train on his own in the offseason during his five seasons with the Redskins.

    Landry's agent, Joel Segal, said last week that he did not know what Landry's offseason training arrangements are.

    The Jets continued to add to the safety position last week, signing former Miami Pro Bowler Yeremiah Bell. The Jets signed Bell to be a starter, a person with knowledge of the team's plans confirmed, but it's unclear how the pieces will fit in the secondary. A Landry-Bell starting tandem would be contingent on Landry being healthy and assimilated into the defense.

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    Tim Tebow has been focused on back-up quarterback duties -- rather than any special packages or trick plays -- in the first few weeks of the offseason program, and that continued today as OTAs began, a person with knowledge of Tebow's workload in practice said. That person requested anonymity because the OTA session was closed to the media.

    The Jets are installing new offensive coordinator Tony Sparano's new system, so they have started with the basics.
     
  15. Barcs

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    Lolz. A major issue? Our pass coverage was 5th best in the league last year. I'd hardly call that a major issue. Our safety tandem is better this year, unquestionably. Landry is better than Smith, even in coverage, as is Bell, PLUS we upgraded our pass rush, which is integral in the success of the pass coverage.

    I'm hoping it will be Revis. If anyone can take on the responsibility it would be him, although it's probably a lot easier to direct from the safety position on the field.
     
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    The Dolphins have had a pretty damn good pass rush the last couple of years, why don't you go ask a few fins fans how they feel about Bell's coverage abilities. The guy is about on par with Smith in that area give or take a little.

    Why do you think he's good in coverage? Why you continue to ignore the fact that we've actually gotten worse in terms of coverage at the safety position is beyond me. I guess it makes you feel better to pretend like we've just gotten better (but I'm the one sugar coating things). The only way we've gotten better in terms of coverage at the safety position is if Josh Bush can play significant time this year and excels. That's highly unlikely from a 6th round rookie.
     
  17. Donttasemebro

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    I think your assessment of the Pat's last year is accurate but IMHO you're homering in saying the Jets didn't improve at all this off season (which is fine). I don't like a lot of the moves the Jets have made this offseason but that's because they made marginal or potential improvements instead of solid pickups.

    I"m starting to wonder if the reason for the Jets pickups signify a change in base defense to something more like a 4-3/Big Nickel instead of the 3-4. Based on the Giants consistent success against the patriots with a front 4 pass rush it's not a huge stretch to imagine the jets are shifting their scheme to something like it. Copy cat league and all.

    "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
    ~Albert Einstein
     
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  18. Dom

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    you've posted a lot here, you should definitely know that stats don't mean everything. its almost humorous how stupid you look right now. eric smith is horrible, and if you've watched all the games you'd know its unbearable to watch him play.
     
  19. displacedfan

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    Eric Smith as a full time safety is not a good football player. Eric Smith as a special team member is great. Eric Smith as a situational safety is okay.

    I disliked Eric Smith and I was even on the cut Eric Smith bandwagon, but if he isn't playing a full time safety positions I actually like having him primarily on ST
     
  20. al_toon_88

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    The fact they waited til after rookie mini-camp to sign Bell would seem to indicate that after seeing them in practice, Rex doesn't think Bush or Allen is capable of starting.

    Re-sign Leonhard to an incentive-laden 1-year deal if he checks out physically.
     
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