Landry/Bell both to start

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  1. gopats88

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    Do you honestly believe that? I can't think of any way to respond to that question without being condescending, and somewhat insulting, so I will just give you a simple "no".
     
  2. Martin is the man

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    IDK how you can be so confident. The Pats defense lost 2 of it's top 4 players (Carter and Anderson). Yes, you add two first round picks but their is a learning curve. Also no help has been given to the is worst secondary in the NFL. On offense, yes, you added several receivers to a already amazing staff however there are 2 very big pieces in Light and the law firm that are now gone. Currently the pats are looking for production out of Solider (not that impressive of a 1st year) and Volmer (who is good but never healthy). All this plus Brian Waters is considering retirement.

    IMO the Patriots are not significantly better on either offense or defense. They will be contenders as long as Brady is playing, but with this o-line he could get roughed up often, especially without a running game to take pressure off the rush, all this plus a horrible defense, they could struggle
     
  3. Biggs

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    Rex hates safeties that cover. He ran Rhodes out after the 09 season had the best Jets D in years and dumped Lowrey after he solidified the D in the playoffs in 2010.

    Hard to see why we are building a team to stop Tim Tebow who we traded for. Rex may have missed the Commissioner’s letter about laying the wood on skill position players
     
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  4. gopats88

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    Anderson was not a top 4 player, even on our defense. We made our Super Bowl run without Carter. Going into last season, both of those players were nobodies, so I have faith that we can replace their production. Carter might even still come back.

    Dennard looks to be a good slot CB prospect, plus we will have Dowling, our 2nd round pick last year who was injured early. Plus we grabbed a veteran CB from miami. I think we have actually improved, it is just that "improvement" over players like molden and sterling moore is a relative term.

    Solder had a VERY impressive first year, I don't know who you were watching. As a supposedly raw prospect with a shortened offseason, he came in almost immediately and stifled top pass rushers like Cameron Wake, Elvis Dumerville. We have a lot of depth on the offensive line with Connolly, Gallery, Cannon, etc. We have traditionally gotten top 5 production out of our OL, even when the talent isn't there to match.

    BJGE was good, but also very replaceable. He was consistent but unspectacular.

    Overall, I was not trying to say that I am uber-confident, and know that the Patriots will win a Super Bowl. Many things remain to be seen. I was just saying that I am not particularly worried by anything the Jets are doing. The Jets have questions marks of their own, and also have quite a bit of ground to make up on the Patriots. After a Super Bowl appearance last year, and 8 straight divisional championships with Brady, I doubt that you will find any Patriots fans who are truly worried by what the Jets are doing.

    Also, I realize that this has drifted off topic. If moderators have a problem with that, please let me know.
     
  5. FJF

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    only jets draft picks can be questioned
    patriot draft picks are automatically enshrined in the H.O.F
     
  6. Dom

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    why can'y kyle wilson cover one of the TEs? you guys are acting as if you know what they'll do with landry/bell, but you don't. rex knows their weaknesses/strengths. im sure he knows what he is going to do.
     
  7. gopats88

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    Well, just as a counterpoint...

    Rex knew the strengths/weaknesses of E. Smith, Leonard, Poole, etc. and he also had Kyle Wilson at his disposal last year. What makes you think his plan is any different or better this year than it was last year?
     
  8. TwoHeadedMonster

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    Yes, the Pats amazing super bowl run...they beat Tebow, and then they stayed alive long enough for the Ravens to beat themselves (but only barely), then lost to a 9-7 team.

    We sit in awe.

    It's true, your patsies did better than my Jets....but if that's how you measure success, maybe you should be a phins fan.
     
  9. gopats88

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    I assume this is directed at me?

    Where am I asking for your/anyone's admiration? Am I coming across as pompous, and flaunting my team's relative success? Because if you think that, it seems like a reflection of your insecurity more so than anything that I actually wrote. If I said anything out of line, just quote what I actually wrote, and I would be happy to respond.
     
  10. Dom

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    yeah, but the difference is that eric smith is fucking trash and same with brodney poole. jim leonhard actually did well last year, he is a critical part to the defense.

    unlike smith, bell and landry are complete trash. also wilson has shown he has the ability to cover
     
  11. gopats88

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    My point was that Rex had the opportunity to use Wilson to cover Gronk/Hernandez last year, and chose not to do it. What specifically makes you think that he will do it this year? We will have a more dangerous WR corps this year, so it isn't like he is going to have the luxury of focusing any less on them in coverage.

    As far as last years safeties vs this years safeties, sure Bell/Landry/Smith might be better players than Leonard/Smith/Poole, but they are NOT better suited for coverage roles. Specifically looking at covering TEs, you guys did NOT improve from last year to this year, unless I am missing something.
     
  12. GMCJETS

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    LeRon Landry could be the difference maker for us at Safety.
     
  13. Burnz

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    i rest my case!
     
  14. ajax

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    Only if he can actually play most of the season. If Leonard or another cheap safety isn't signed to platoon with him, I've got doubts Laundry will even finish the season on the active roster.
     
  15. TwoHeadedMonster

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    Actually, I don't really have much of a problem with anything you said. You seem like a very reasonable individual which is more than I can say about most Pats or Jets fans I know.
    I posted what I posted because you referred to your team's "super bowl run" which, technically, it was. To be fair, if the Jets had beaten the Broncos and the Ravens in the playoffs last year, in the same way, and a fellow Jets fan has referred to it as a "super bowl run" I would have been far harsher on them. Honestly.

    I'm a jerk, and I'm okay with that. You seem like a cool enough cat, for a Pats fan...which is a major limiting factor.
     
  16. Biggs

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    It may be that Rex isn't building a team to stop the Pats? Maybe he's building a team to stop the Ravens or Steelers and hopes one of them knocks off the Pats?
     
  17. Franchize

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    Anything is better than what we have but I'm a bit concerned. It's like Rex wants to defend against things that nobody does. It's a passing league and it seems like we're getting guys that enhance our run defense. We're like the guy with the piece of shit hooptie and an alarm system. We're protecting against something that nobody cares about anymore.
     
  18. Milliner is your Mommy

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    I could see Wilson covering Hernandez but not Gronkowski. I think Rex's plan this year was to get Landry to come in and just play physical with Gronk. The Jets had no one that could bring him down last year and Landry is a physical freak. Gronk will get his catches but Landry will atleast make him pay. We also drafted Davis who is a fast lb who is probably being groomed to cover TEs. Rex might have failed last year in covering the Pats TEs but I dont expect him to go with what didn't work. He might not succeed in doing so but the guy isn't an idiot. He knows if something doesn't work to try and fix it. Just because he has a plan doesn't mean its going to work but I see why people would think it would atleast get a bit better. Couldn't have done much worse honestly.
     
  19. Big Blocker

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    Smith not only is still on the roster. He also led the team in tackles for a combined 89. Leonhard, concededly missing games at the end of the season, was down at 48, and the now gone Pool was all the way down at 36.

    I understand the concern that Smith is not fast in pass coverage, but it is an urban legend around here that he sucks across the board. There is no basis for such a position.
     
  20. So if you don't take the Jets seriously...why are you so insistent on bashing every facet of the team? It's either you ar insecure Pats fan that needs to be a bully in order to feel better about how last year ended..or...deep down the Jets worry you & feel the need to rationalize why they are destined for 6-10.

    Either way...give me a break
     

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