Haha. Im not “relying” on their opinions. I watch TAPE myself, and I try to from an opinion of him on my own. I do take into account what people on here that have studied the draft for over 10 years. Dont make it seem like 100% of my opinion is based off of what people on here say, because your just coming off like a prick that way, trying to spin what I say. But whatever makes you sleep at night, right? I read up on multiple draft websites, watch NFLnetwork, watch actual college tape, listen to what other knowledgable posters on here have to say and follow as many scouts as I can. I would say I have a pretty well rounded income of knowledge when it comes to the draft. I sure as hell don’t know everything and I wont make it seem like I do, but I can definitely tell the difference between JPP and Chandler Jones. The consensus around the internet, NFLnetwork, draft scouts up until around April 20th, had his stock around the mid 2nd round. You can knit pick all I you want, because at this point, thats what you are doing. You seem like a really great person. Im sorry I insulted your brilliance... Okay, so because you think the draft is a crap shot, you would rather not spend your time learning about players entering the NFL... and once someone has stated a pretty informed opinion over one, its called talking out of their ass. Nice! You criticize me for listening solely to people here (which I have clearly stated above is far from the truth), yet you base 100% of your opinion on what the MEDIA says. The fucking media... God damn, the one thing I hate is the media. They over-blow EVERYTHING, but you can listen to them. Theres a reason why they arent actual scouts and working for a teams front office... Im sure you cant!!!! Thats awesome... Im so proud of you for not questioning any pick your FO has made. I know if the Jets made this pick I would be irate.. but hey, I dont have to worry about that.
Three words. Triple option offense. Hill caught 62% of passes not thrown to a RB. He may have only caught 28 passes, but he was limited to that because of the system, not because of his rawness or lack of skill. Obviously overlooked here... Also overlooked is how well he can run block, which is huge for this team and something that we also needed. Hill is very raw. But his skill set fits our need perfectly. Outside of Hill, we have Chaz Schilens and Patrick Turner. Who would you like us to start? Our needs for a #2: - speed/stretch the field - height/redzone threat - solid run blocker - big play ability - someone that will grow with Sanchez Hill satisfies all of those. Yes he is raw, but at the very least we send him out their and teams have to respect his speed and back off against the line a little bit, buying time for Sanchez and underneath routes... and if they dont respect his speed, well, bye bye Stephen Hill on a 70 yard TD pass. You take Hill and put him in Baylor, Oklahoma, Stanford, Boise, pretty much anywhere that is a pass first team, and he puts up huge numbers and doesnt make it past 20. He couldve left GT, knowing he would get more passes elsewhere, but he stayed at his school, which also shows unselfish character. Thinking about it, it is extremely entertaining as to what this kid could’ve done had he transferred to a school where the WR would get more than 45 catches...
So you write a paragraph talking about what everyone on the draft forum thinks of him, and then get mad at me when I assume that's the basis of your information. I'm also curious as to what scouts you follow, and what their qualifications are. I'm not trying to be snarky here, but I'd love to know where on the internet there are some legit scouts talking about their opinions. This isn't nit-picking, this is pointing out an important difference. Public perception and what actual NFL teams think about a player are often two very different things. All I care about is the latter, the former doesn't matter to me one iota. Insulted? I don't think you know what LOL means I have no problem with your opinion, but don't try to pretend it's informed. Reading other people's opinions and watching a few games on TV or youtube does not make you qualified for any sort of player evaluation. It's fine to have an opinion based on that, and obviously you can come here and discuss said opinion, but don't act like you have any idea what you're talking about. Ummm....maybe you should read what you just wrote. You know all those draft websites you read, and the NFL network? THAT'S THE MEDIA! There's also a reason the "well respected and knowledgeable posters" here aren't working for an NFL team, but that doesn't stop you from listening to them. The majority of the media are a bunch of blowhards, but there are some people in it that have earned my respect. Greg Cosell and Mike Mayock are on the top of that list, and if you think they are sensationalizing or over-blowing anything, I'd love to know what it is. I'll question the pick in the three years if he doesn't turn into a good player. Seems a little silly to me to do it any sooner. Based on what you said about him prior to the draft, I'll take your word for it that you'd be irate. But there is NO QUESTION in my mind that if the Jets took Jones, the majority of this board would declare him a day 1 starter, and think he'd be an elite player within a few years time.
And you truly don't see that as a very real possibility given the current state of the Jets? Who are you, and what have you done with Bradwaysux?
At this point you are just questioning anything and everything. What are you some lawyer that needs to question everything I say yet you have proved NO reason at all why you have the right to question me. You come in here and bash my opinion on no basis with the logic that since I am neither of Mike Mayock, Greg Cosell or an NFL team’s FO member. You are basically talking out of your ass simply because I dont agree with a pick your team has made and you yourself have NO opinion of the player outside of other's people opinion. Just stop criticizing. Maybe if you spent your time watching players that your team has picked, instead of trying to bash everyone that dislikes the pick you might have a reason to back up some of what you are saying. WIth your logic, no one on the internet on any forum should discuss the draft simply because in your eyes their opinions are uninformed. Have you gone to your Pats forum and bashed anybody who has expressed ANY opinion, good or bad, of any player the Pats have drafted? This is the last time I am responding to you. You are obviously not here to discuss the game of football, but would rather throw your ego around and debate about shit that you dont even have an opinion on. Good bye.
LMAO! The right to question you? If you need to know why people have the right to question you, maybe an internet forum isn't the best place for you. I'm guessing reading comprehension isn't your strong suit :wink: I'd love to see some examples of me "throwing my ego around" because as far as I can see, this whole discussion has been based around you crying that I'm questioning your bullshit. But hey, when the kids are mean to you on the playground, you can always take your ball and go home
Well people seem to be taking the position that Coples is going to be the cause of major issues. My point is just that for that to happen the odds are that Rex Ryan is going to have to get dumped first and if that happens Coples is going to be the least of the Jets problems. If the Rex Ryan era passes without a Super Bowl we're basically done. We're in Cubs-land at that point because nobody with any real gravity is going to come coach for Woody at that point. My assumption is that Woody knows this or at least has an inkling that it might be true and that therefore Rex is safe and Tanny will be the guy who takes the fall if things go south. Coples is probably a pretty safe bet to be a productive if somewhat bewildered Jet in 4 years time, sort of like Mo Lewis was before Parcells came to town and established order out of the chaos.
idk if this is the place for this but didn't want to start a new thread: Dave Guglielmo on Wayne Hunter: "Until they ship him out of here or shoot me dead in my office, the guy's the starting RT." I think I speak for the rest of the AFC East when I say this quote makes me happy
I'm liking DeGuglielmo already - some of the quotes are great. Like a Westhoff who gives even less of a fuck.
Mehta and Cimini tweeted it. I actually googled for the story to see the rest of the interview but could not find it. LMAO at the shot at Callahan.
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2012/05/jets_offensive_line_coach_dave.html Unnecessary shot, but I love it! IF and a big IF he is spot on with Hunter, our team improves dramatically.
Is it a "typically classless Jets move" for Googs to poke fun at Callahan for not having a ring if Googs won his ring with the Giants? Or is that merely a good-natured statement of fact since the ring was won with such a "classy" organization? Someone get Fatcessa on the phone quick to provide his wondrous insight into this dilemma because it is certainly newsworthy!
Hunter is a 31 year old RT who has never been good enough to be a starting NFL RT. He kind of masked this by playing ok for a few games at the end of 2010 (assuming you think the things the Jets did against the Steelers in the first half of the AFCCG were ok. Go watch that game again and tell me what you think.) The odds that he is a starting caliber RT in the NFL next season are probably 10%. Actually they're probably less than that but I have trouble assessing low positive probabilities despite many years of being a Jet fan. I just kind of naturally radiate to a more optimistic place than the actual circumstances would suggest, since it's hard to look objectively at 100-1 shots and not double-vision them into 10-1 if you're a fan. And yeah I'm trying to make Dierking fill up even more space on his sig line...
Also from the DeGuglielmo article (now on NFL.com), one of the best, sig-worthy quotes ever: "One of the things that excited me most about this job was Wayne Hunter."
I'm more worried that they're discounting the very real possibility that he will be very bad again. It's easier for them to double-vision him into an average guy than a guy who might be good. Wayne Hunter was the second biggest factor in destroying the Jets offense last year. The biggest was deciding to go pass-first without having enough assets in place on that side of the ball who were likely to perform well in the roles needed of them of which Hunter was the most glaring example.
This is a line built to run the football. They weren't gonna hold up throwing the ball as many times as this offense did this past season even if Damien Woody had been at RT.Especially considering the shortened TC to adjust. What people forget is that part of "ground and pound" is the punishment aspect. You run the ball physically inside so much, that by the fourth qtr the Opposition's front 7 is worn down.Which essentially begins to open huge running lanes or in theory "Game clinchers". So not only did passing the ball expose the Jets O-line's weakness, it essentially took away their greatest strength. I do NOT want Hunter starting for this O-line again. I thought it was a bad idea even after the 2010 playoff success.Hunter is great as a back-up. But he is way too inconsistent to be a great starter.With that said..the Jets likely could survive with him at RT with some different schematics in place. Afterall..this O-line did have a handful of very good performances last year. Those did include Hunter.
