Just another example of people overreacting to unimportant bullshit. Who cares, he just said what everybody already knows, including Sanchez. Was a lot of it due to the bad system? Yes. Was a lot of it due to bad o-line? Yes. Was a lot of it due to Holmes not being where he was supposed to be? ABSOLUTELY! Doesn't change the fact that he made those decisions, and doesn't change the fact that this is a big year coming up for him. He has a shitload of talent, and anybody who just responds "maybe he's just not good" is setting themself up for a fall when he comes out and proves them wrong. One play that stands out for me was when they were on their own goal line ( forget the opponent) and there was a play that featured him dropping back with Holmes over the middle as his only option. He had a decision to make, throw it to Holmes or eat it (safety) or throw it away (also safety, NOBODY ELSE WAS ANYWHERE IN FRONT OF LINE OF SCRIMMAGE). He threw it to Holmes and it was picked. Bad decision? HELLS YES! However, an even worse play design by a terrible offensive coordinator. What also comes in mind is the play in Philly that was right in Santonio's hands and turned into a pick. One thing that is very positive about Sanchez is that when they were in the red zone, he threw only 3 picks all year Honestly, his fumbles are a bigger issue than his decision making, and that is VERY fixable. Every young QB has that problem at some point. You know what's necessary to fix that? A GOOD QB COACH. Yeeah, wonder why Cav didnt bring that up, lol.
This is terrible logic using an advantageous comparison. Henne had 14 and 19 picks in his 2 full seasons as a starter. 3 Fumbles Sanchez had 20, 13, and 18. He also had 17 fumbles. They are both boneheads who make bad decisions. Sanchez is a better QB because he throws TDs and makes positive plays and Henne for the most part didn't, being especially terrible in the end zone. That is what dragged his QB rating down. I am not understanding how your argument shows that Sanchez doesn't make bad decisions.
The Jets made an additional year of his contract guaranteed. Whether this makes him easier to trade or not is not the only issue. It means they are on the hook to him for an additional year at additional cost.
Henne also melted under pressure and cost Miami a ton of games, sanchez helped lead numerous comebacks and played very well in postseason helping his team nearly reach the SB twice. Young QBs make bad decisions, it happens but Sanchez for the most part has rebounded to help his team win. he didnt' do it to end 2011 but that hasn't happened often.
No doubt I think I pointed that out when I said the difference was Henne didn't make good plays to make up for his bad decisions. I am pointing out how silly his point was. Why compare Sanchez to Henne as an example of how one is a bad decision maker and the other isn't when their bad decision level was actually somewhat similar? Are you setting the bar at Chad Henne now?(not directed at you, nyjunc)
The post was a continutation of the discussion I was having. Henne was playing in a far more QB friendly system in Miami. Sanchez was playing in a system that eats up Quarterbacks. Taking all the available information into accound, Sanchez, should produce a QBR of around 90, FINALLY get his Compl % above 60, and go north of 1.5 to 1 td to int ratio (I'd say 2:1, but lets not get over enthusiastic just yet)
I am not even going to entertain the idea that Dan Henning's O was QB friendly. If you ever talked to Dolphins fans post-Pennington or visited the forums, EVERYBODY wanted that old idiot gone. He loved to run wildcat on 3rd and long. Or run draws. And then on 3rd and inches he would run fades to.......Brian Hartline. When we had this guy named Brandon Marshall on the other side. Once Henne took over he was unable to adapt the gameplan to a different style of QB. Pennington was one of the most accurate QBs of all time and Henne was very inconsistent. But Henning just kept on running the same system that relied on timing and accuracy instead of playing to Henne's, albeit few, strengths. If you want that, then maybe you should hire Henning. But you hired Sparano, who wasn't running that O.
Too many guys run the draw on third and fifteen, to get 5 more punting yards. We had that here.... But it's a comparative statement. Try watching Brian Schottenheimers clusterf*ck of an offense. Pennington went up 10 points in QBR going from Schitty to Henning.... My guess is Sparano is probably a little more straightforward than Either of the two above, which is kind of my point. Jet's QBs have been held back under Schotty, to what extent, we dont know.....but the evidence available suggests 10+ points on QBR. We'll see.
In 06 with a talentless O Shottenheimer system with Penny running it and running it with a bad arm and bad running backs got us into the playoffs. He was much better in those playoffs on the road against NE than he was at home with much more overall talent than he was at Miami. Stats don't tell the entire story. Our O in 06 based on our over all talent was excellent. The O Miami ran in 08 was based on more over all talent especially in the run game.
Henne showed some good potential under Daboll last year before getting hurt to leave me wonder what could have meant to his own career had he finished last year (bad team start aside) ... but even in his college career, he didn't have that "killer" trait for a QB that needs to put the other team away.
I don't care who's fault is for the 2011 season, the past is the past. What the Jets should focus on is the present and the present is that Sanchez needs to improve. As for Cavanaugh, his contract expires after this season. I hope for the 2013 season, the Jets get Chad Pennington as QB coach.
Valid points to be sure, all I'm saying is, I would expect the QB to take a step forward commensurate in size to what the realistic expectations of his Draft position are. 10 QBR points makes him Philip Rivers last year. More than that, puts him Top 10. Which ANY Jets fan would take today.
You have to figure that the Jets were between a rock and a hard place once Peyton was out of the running and probably felt like we have to deal with the cards we're dealt and tried to give an extension that helped with cap space and gave Mark some perceived support. But then Peyton signed with Denver, which was a surprise probably to the Jets, and Tim Tebow, who had beat them earlier in the season as the quarterback became available. And he's popular and has a pedigree. They got the trade done and it becomes a fluid situation where you made the move and the wheels start to turn. You just got a new set of cards on the table. And as the days pass you can tell they start thinking: We could not win the way we wanted with Mark, let's try the Unknown that worked so well for Denver. Perhaps Sanchez upset the apple cart even more than was advertised last year, and they lost nearly all confidence in him. Maybe he is not coachable enough or doesn't have his priorities in order. Maybe he thinks he's not the problem but is. Just saying. Can they ask Mark to tear up the deal or restructure it? Is that why they turn up the fire on him? Or do they really mean to go ahead with this plan to start him and play Tebow in certain situations? Really hard to tell, but based on actions speaking louder than words, the bloom is off of the rose for Mark.
Heh. Don't take this the wrong way, but we talked about the whys and wherefores of the extension of Sanchez's contract quite a bit when it happened. I am not disagreeing with anything you have said here, but it seems to me it is not the point or subject of current discussion. I merely mentioned the extension because it is not an obvious fit with a more general, jaundiced view of Sanchez. And even by that I do not mean to say it is impossible that some other considerations might have led the Jet FO to give him an extension even if they were totally unhappy with him. But despite that possibility, I personally have questions about it all. I suppose it is possible they have their doubts but, at least before the Tebow trade, were prepared to give him a fair shot despite those doubts. But at this point I think an extended discussion of his contract extension is a digression from the appearance that the CS is willing to express questions about Sanchez's attitude and understanding about whether he was performing at an accceptable level, and what he should have been doing, and doing going forward, instead.
Plus let's not forget that the ass whupping the fish got with that sole playoff appearance, and Penny's awful game, was one of the worst playoff performances in recent memory. At least since that game where the Colts hardly showed up in Foxboro that game it was a wittle too cold for the indoor team. Henning seeme to not help too much in that game.
This shows exactly how far the media keeps us from reality. Sanchez never challenged Rex to a fight. It was a comment blown out of proportion just like every negative thread on here. Tebow was brought to NY for the option offense, not to scare Sanchez. I don't think any real QB needs that type of motivation to succeed. They should already be motivated.
You know what I think happened here? The Jets wanted Peyton Manning badly but he wasn't interested. If the Jets get Manning then Sanchez sticks around under a deal similar to the one he signed later because the Jets would have needed a LOT of cap space to bring Manning on board and the first step in getting that was to renegotiate Sanchez to a deal that greatly lowered this year's cap hit. They'd have had to renegotiate several people to get the deal done but they'd have done that. Sanchez would have been the most expensive backup QB in the NFL for a couple of years and the Jets would have figured out what to do with him after 2013, just like they will now. So the Jets kind of mentally moved on from Sanchez as they made plans to try to get Manning. They were in negotiations with Sanchez for the the restructuring the entire time because they had to get that done to make Manning happen, but they were ready to move on. Then Manning dissed them and they did the restructure with Sanchez anyway, because it made sense to clear the cap space anyway since they were going to be a bit short as things stood. Then Manning went to the Broncos and Tebow became available and the Jets were like "OMG! Shiny, shiny, shiny, how many PSL's can Tebow sell for us as our starting QB?" But the problem is that they'd already recommitted to Sanchez in the restructuring, saying that was what they were doing at the time because Manning was no longer an option. They'd already signed a perfectly reasonable backup QB to play behind Sanchez. So now they have a real problem because no matter how things turn out they are going to look pretty silly and verging on clueless if they push Sanchez aside suddenly and install Tebow as the starting QB. Inquiring people will start to wonder what the heck is up with the Jets who are suddenly tied down by so many guaranteed deals for people who appear not to be worth the deal and in some cases the roster slot. So the Jets bring Tebow in as the "other" QB. The guy who will run the option package they plan to run next year. They're being disingenuous at this point with the commentary on Sanchez as the starter and Tebow as the backup/option QB but nobody can prove that so the figleaf stays on for a bit. They're definitely planning to run the option as their main offense at some point next year and so they draft a WR in the draft who does not know how to run a normal route tree. He played in an option defense in college and he's going to take awhile to learn the normal route tree and settle down as an NFL caliber WR. Hill is going to be next to useless to Sanchez as he begins to learn the NFL package but he has a chance to be very strong with Tebow in the option. Basically what the Jets did this off-season was to try to switch horses to a hall-of-fame bound QB at the end of his career (where have we seen this before?), however he told them to bugger off and so the off-season progressed a little further and the Jets then decided to switch horses again only this time they'd have to play dumb for awhile as they were doing it. I'd say the odds are close to 100% that Tebow is the starting QB by game 6 next year. Maybe a game or two after that but when he does become the starting QB it will be part of the plan the Jets have had ever since "OMG! Shiny, shiny, PSLs!" became available. I'll leave it to others to figure out where this all leads but the Super Bowl is not the place in my opinion.
If the Jets were supposedly drafting players for the Tebow to start, why didn't they pickup someone to protect his blind side?
Right. PENNNINGTON went up 10 points in that system. Does that mean that every QB in the league would go up 10 points from Schotty to Henning too? Is there no such thing as a meshing of skills and system? Chad Henne struggled under Henning. All it takes is Chad Henne jumping in QBR with the Jags this year to blow your argument out of the water. Correlation is not causation. A comparison based on 1 year under Henning is faulty by its very nature and I think your basis for thinking Sparano is going to help Sanchez is based on absolutely nothing. At least that you have posted so far. Not to mention I must say again, that you are getting Sparano and not Henning so the 10 point QBR jump you keep referring to means nada. Find me a 10 point jump from a QB going to a Sparano offense and maybe I'll hear the argument. PS: Simplifying an offense can have its advantages. But there are disadvantages that come with it. Which is why many NFL offenses are not simple. Simple can lead to "easy to gameplan against".
