Offensive line thoughts

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  1. laxin

    laxin Active Member

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    This is true... Because if all player’s skills were maximized in a man scheme, everybody would be using... well a man scheme. Its simple logic actually.

    The one player I do see this change in schemes benefitting the most is Ducasse because he does have all the physical tools to be a very good player, just the zone clusterfuck scheme screwed with his head. Im not sure how everyone can say confidently that this change in schemes will benefit Hunter... because it could actually make him worse. We’ll just have to see (sadly).
     
  2. laxin

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    ... Hoping for sarcasm...
     
  3. PolygamyWinsChampionships

    PolygamyWinsChampionships Well-Known Member

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    When you call someone out for agreeing with the FO, I'm not sure if you're aware but there is a strong implication that you disagree with the FO in this instance. If you're not making that implication, then you have no reason to be criticizing the guy in this instance. Comprehend? Thought not.

    Logically, you don't address your contention that Tanny looks fucking stupid for starting Hunter last year. Logical because he doesn't look stupid and you want to sweep it under the rug. Hunter looks stupid for sucking so bad after being a solid backup for years.

    I agree with you that the hope is that Hunter sucks less this year, not that he excels. I take exception with your implied and explicit criticism of Tanny's ongoing work on the RT position. He's doing the best with a shitty situation. It's his job. Not his fault that Hunter turned out to be the worst RT in history. Doubt you or anyone else predicted that before the start of last season...so you'd be a hypocrite to hold Tanny to a different standard. That's my issue. Get it?
     
  4. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    The whole point was that every decision the FO makes isn't a good one. They made the decision to stick with Wayne Hunter for the starter last year and it worked out very poorly, mostly because Wayne Hunter fucking sucks. Whatever the circumstances may have been, it kind of blows KJ's whole, you can't disagree with the Jets FO mantra out of the water.

    They had other options prior to the season last year that they could have pursued. They didn't. I'm not even saying that I disagreed with them going with Hunter last year - even though I really wanted them to try and keep Woody. I was simply pointing out that KJ's mantra that you can't disagree with the FO is not a good one. Just because I disagree with something the Jets do doesn't mean I think I'm an NFL GM. It means I have a damn mind of my own and don't just follow others like a sheep.

    If we all just agree with the decisions the Jets made there wouldn't be much of a point in a message board anyway.
     
  5. Dom

    Dom Well-Known Member

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    yea it was sarcasm. its kinda frustrating just seeing people go back and forth over the topic. a good friend of mine is a giants fan and he SUPPORTS everything the team does (which i envy him for). its kinda funny how jets fans are complete opposites and basically trash the FO for everything they do.

    im not going to be delusional and say hunter/ducasse will be good next year, but i definitely believe that the CS with a full offseason can IMPROVE them.

    have confidence in your team guys
     
  6. PolygamyWinsChampionships

    PolygamyWinsChampionships Well-Known Member

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    There are plenty of things to criticize the FO over. Scott/Pace contracts. Schotty, (although that's probably on Woody personally) the list goes on. Just like any other team.

    I hate that Wayne Hunter destroyed our season last year. I hate his face. But I can't really say that I blame Tanny for giving him a shot last year. Can't say that I blame him for keeping him on this year to free us up to do awesome awesome things at WR, DE and LB. It's just one of those things. Every team has a weak point. This year it could be RT for us (again). Still, Vlad might be pleasantly surprising which would avoid the whole issue.

    The way I look at it is that we should be able to add Leonhard or someone pretty cheaply if necessary and put together a decent patchwork cast at Safety. With Coples playing some OLB presumably we should be perfectly fine there to be honest with Maybin stepping into a bigger role this year.

    I think that we're all just sitting around biting our nails hoping that Vlad catches on this year. If he does I'd say we have about as good a chance as anyone. If not, let's hope Hunter fucking sucks a little less.
     
  7. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I pray to Mohammad 5 times a day that the light bulb turns on for Vlad this year.
     
  8. laxin

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    Thats all we can do... haha.

    If it does, we may have something... If not, well, we are shit outta luck.
     
  9. Footballgod214

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    To me this whole thread is funny, with a lot of hot air from fans who don't know shit.

    If the Jets had employed a man-blocking scheme last year, these same fans would be saying 'Ducacus will do much better in Sparanos zone-blocking' yada yada yada!

    It's like most ppl on here know absolutely nothing but can't resist adding their 2 cents.

    Now, would a knowledgeable fan here on TGG please explain the difference between Zone and Man blocking schemes, and what that means as far as WFH or Ducacus possibly playing better? Because I don't have a clue.

    Thanks!!!
     
  10. RochesterJet

    RochesterJet Well-Known Member

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    But who I really want is jumbo elliot from 1991. Im sure tany could figure out another way to generat 1.21 gigawatts, I could even donate the Delorian. Either Vlad steps up in a big fucking way or it's Wayne Hunter and aTE or back chipping all day.
     
  11. displacedfan

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    I'll get on this. I prayed hard for Schotty to leave and he left. I also prayed hard for Mike D'Antoni to leave NYK and he left. I'm batting 2/2. If Vlad doesn't pan out, I'll be the fall guy :)
     
  12. Jetaho

    Jetaho Well-Known Member

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    4 Super Bowls in 25 years buys you a lot of faith and good will. I personally believe the current CS and FO have earned our faith, but there are many around here who will pick apart every decision they make like hyenas on a wildebeest carcas.
     
  13. PolygamyWinsChampionships

    PolygamyWinsChampionships Well-Known Member

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    The sick part is that one Super Bowl won't even get our fan base on board. They'll just shut up about it for fear of public berating. Two rings and they'll just start making that sheepish smile of the old and defiantly retarded guy who just got proven wrong.

    Nope, we won't have an actually supportive fan base without 3 rings in the next 5 years or so.

    Oh well. One more AFCCG this year and at least most of them will shut the fuck up for good. What do they say about the lawyers at the bottom of the sea? A good start.
     
  14. PolygamyWinsChampionships

    PolygamyWinsChampionships Well-Known Member

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    I'm actually a little bit optimistic that it will happen btw. I almost could have accused the guy of looking useful out there a few times later in the season. His run blocking should be at least decent. Forget about good pass blocking. Just give Sanchez a second more than Hunter gave him last year. With Hill shaving a second off for all receivers to get open, we should have a fighting chance with him.

    At the end of the day, the Jets drafted a 3 year project in the 2nd round. It's year 3 and he started to show the first signs of life at the end of the last shortened year. He really ought to be able to pull it off...otherwise what the fuck?
     
  15. fozzi58

    fozzi58 Well-Known Member

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    Google is your friend...

    Zone Blocking Tutorial

    http://www.rockytoptalk.com/2009/3/31/815874/zone-blocking-tutorial-inside-zone


    Man Blocking

    http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/2/4/2771098/man-blocking-vs-zone

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2005/zone-blocking-vs-man-blocking

     
  16. al_toon_88

    al_toon_88 Well-Known Member

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    Ground and pound would be for real if we had this guy. With LT gone, we don't have a RB who can catch the football. Jamaal makes any offensive line look better.

    http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=7908615

    Anybody know his contract status?

    He and Shonn would be a lethal duo. The Jets have never had a breakaway back like this who is a threat to take it to the house every single play (unless you count Tebow, I guess).
     
  17. BeastBeach

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    I don't know how reliable the above statement is but I think it contradicts the "shrug of the shoulders" type attitude of those who simply say this magical new scheme is going to solve the Jets' problems

    Could it be that Tony Sparano is actually complicating things?

    :breakdance:
     
  18. Again, the Jets are not switching to a man scheme. Slauson already indicated that the blocking fits are staying the same. All that is changing is some of the terminology & reads. You will likely also see some change in philosophy...but the schematics in & of themselves are not changing much
     
  19. joesmoe39

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    you really should take some of your own advice! sporano's specialty is oline (laughable if you don't think he was heavily involved in the oline as head coach).
     
  20. joesmoe39

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    and you personally know this to be fact? how is it you have so much more knowledge than others? or are you blowing hot air?
     

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