1st and 2nd, 1st 3rd and 4th, whatever. Eitherway there was nothing that makes this deal seem far fetched. Jets thought they could add picks and still get one of their big wants, once that became doubtful they just grabbed their BPA
Points-wise, Jets' 1st < Steelers' 1st + 2nd. Given that teams trading down in the first round of this draft generally lost value on the points chart, it would've been Jets 1st for Steelers' 1st, 3rd, and (4th or 5th). Assuming the Steelers wanted to move up just as much as the Jets wanted to move down, we would've gotten more than just a 1 and a 3.
False. They never go inside of the top 15. What I have to assume originated with Seattle taking Steve Hutchinson at 17, since the 2010 draft we've seen Iupati (17), Pouncey (18), and Pouncey (15) all go in the top 20. In '09 Alex Mack fell to 21 with the help of TB and Josh Freeman, and this draft DeCastro should've gone between 16 and 19.
I couldn't agree more. I believe Coples will be one of the best 3-4 ends since Bruce Smith. Not saying he will be another Smith, but there aren't many 3-4 ends that rack up sacks.
Miss-direction. Miss-direction is CRITICAL in most successful draft. Say the Jets covet Coples. There are 31 teams that pick after the Jets that may ALSO covet Coples. And if any of those teams know the Jet's plans, they may try to leap frog the Jets to get their man. So....Rex covets Coples, but never says anything about it. In fact, Tanny lets 'slip' the Jets are trying to trade up to get Richardson (miss-direction). This leaves the 31 other teams picking after the Jets comfortable that Coples will still be on the board, no need to waste picks trading up. Then WHAM!!!! There goes Coples.
Except for the fact people around the draft world still expected Coples to go in the top 10, and at worst, top 15. It was surprising that he was available at 16. smokescreens do exist, but this isn't likely to be one of them.
IMO the Jets made the best move at 16 getting a top 10 draft pick who has a good chance of being a dominating pass rush presence this season and for the next 10
Here is my 2-cents: I think that the jets may well have had a draft day deal of some kind with the Steelers to say "we may be happy to move down, if a player you are interested in is around at #16". I doubt that the Steelers would have tipped their hands about who they were interested in. The Jets clearly were not that high on Ingram and so were looking at guys like Irvin, Upshaw, Mercilus etc and thought - one or more of those guys will certainly be available in the mid-20's. When Coples got past the Seahawks and was still available then clearly the Jets plans changed and it was no longer an attractive deal. In the Jets minds Coples >>> [other DE/OLB] + 3rd rd pick. No-one thought Coples would still be there at #16 and no way would he have been around in the mid-20's so its only the reference to "Irvin or Coples" in the 20's that rings false.
And who is the source that's feeding you this inside information? Wait you have no source, just pure speculation? Sorry I have no change *rolls up window*
The fact that none of the people that cover the Jets did more than mention Rex's visit with Coples suggests that the Jets smokescreen was nearly perfect in his case. Cimini did a draft day blog post that mentioned everybody under the sun except for Coples. That's how far below the radar the Jets interest in Coples was. If anybody had really seen that possibility you'd have seen a bunch of people suggesting that the Jets might trade up for Coples or would certainly grab him in the event he fell to them. Instead there were fish bubbles rising in the tank on draft day.
My 2 cents: what we're missing here is not that teams 17-23 may have coveted Decastro themselves, but that some other team BELOW Pittsburgh may have coveted Decastro. Some other team may have been able to trade for one of Cincinnati's picks and take Decastro before Pittsburgh could move up themselves. Pittsburgh may have been playing "defense" against another team with interest like say Cleveland, Buffalo, or Miami, all of whom took offensive linemen in the early 2nd round. That said, I think we stood pat at 16 because either Pittsburgh's deal wasn't good enough to lose Coples as a consequence, or Rex's promise to draft Coples at 16 was indeed real and the team chose to uphold the promise. Either way, I'm pleased with the results.
I think we took Coples at 16 because he was the best player available at the time. That's good enough for me. And I was not a Coples fan at all until I took a long look at him after the Jets drafted him. I think he got caught in a bad situation his senior year and a lot of hysteria developed around that.
im surprised that i never hear from fans what the steelers did with the 5th they got from the jets in the santonio trade. they took that traded it to the cards for bryant mcfadden and the cards 6th round pick. they then selected antonio brown with that pick. they basically traded holmes for antonio brown now who got the better end of that trade. one guy is one of the best up and coming wr's in the league the other is one of the most overpaid players in the league
I think the Jets were convinced the Seahawks were taking Coples, and the next guy on their board was Irvin, who they figured they could get later in the round while picking up a draft pick or two. When Coples fell to them, they had to decide whether he would still be there for them if they dropped down. I think they decided not to chance it.
This is what makes the most sense. I think the debate probably was whether or not to move up for Coples and the Jets decided not to, at which point Irvin was a guy you trade back for and settle for one of the other pass rushers if you had too. I think Seattle made a huge error here and we benefited from it in a big way.
Who is jason's source for reporting that a deal that never existed and never happened - existed? LMFAO. My source is impeccable and laughs at reporters falling for draft day smokescreens, the fact that you are not able to see the truth about this non-story is hilarious. Keep on believing everything you read on the interweb from citing no sources. LOL. :lol:
That drives me nuts and why I hate them, that's why they win SB's. Anybody who doesn't think luck plays a role is crazy.
