When Manning sat, it was a one possession game and Jets took the lead on the next possession. Invalid point. If my grand ma had a penis, she would have had balls too, but she didn't.
Orton is backing up Tony Romo. In 2009 he was the 11th ranked Qb. In 2010 he got injured and did not play a complete season last year. He did finish 2-1, though, and his team beat the team that he left. I think if he's healthy and on a good team he could do well.
don't rely on rankings, this isn't fantasy football. he was hurt in 2010, after leading his team to a 3-10 record as a starter. In 2009 he was 8-7 but that was after starteing 6-0. Do you know how hard it is to miss the playoffs after starting 6-0? they only had to go 3-9 to end the season, instead he led them to 2-7. He finished 2-1 last year as a starter including leading his team to a whopping 7 pts to beat Denver. He's a below average QB who can't win in this league, he is well below Sanchez and the Jets wouldn't take orton and 2 1st rd picks for Sanchez.
Haha I love how the Bills fans are oozing with confidence. It happens every year around this time, but we all know the talk will be donefor by week 5 at best when things run their usual course. Why are people quoting Mark Sanchez' rookie stats?
Back to Buffalo, New York? Stop rubbing it in, you lucky son of a bitch. Fitz trumped Sanchez on the Wonderlic - it ends there.
haha bills fans are funny. Whats next JP Losman is better than sanchez? Pretty bold talk considering your the only team who hasn't made the playoffs since the 90's
I think if RG3 had entered the draft in 2011 the Steelers would've traded up to pick him and then Big Ben would've led the Jets to the Super Bowl.
"Based on 2011 Starting QBs" is a bullshit argument. There is absolutely no way that any team is going to spend a first round pick on Sanchez when they have Jay Cutler, Sam Bradford, Peyton Manning, or even Matt Cassel. Upgrading from Fitzpatrick to Sanchez isn't worth a 1st. Same with Dalton, Ponder, Alex Smith, and Freeman. Probably not Orton either. Also, there is no way that Oakland is making that trade after going all in on Palmer. And if you change the scenario to this year, you are even more wrong, because Luck, RGIII, and arguably Tannehill all have more upside at this point than Sanchez. You might think that Sanchez is an upgrade over the QBs that you listed (which is arguable in itself), but there is absolutely no possible way that you can honestly believe that all of those teams would have given up a first round pick in order to "upgrade" to Sanchez. There might have been four teams that would have considered it this offseason, and that is being very optimistic... 16 is laughable.
Fitzpatrick and Orton are the same type of QBs, QBs that can't win big games and stat pad against awful teams and also when games are already decided. They will never win anyway and they are like 6+ year vets at this point. Sanchez would be absolute upgrades over those two QBs (Orton, Fitzpatrick). He's got plenty more upside and he's only 25 years of age. You know I really want to comment on Tannehill, but a guy that was once a WR in college and only has a handful of starts doesn't stand a chance in the NFL. He's similar to Gabbert - meaning if you put them out there from day one they will implode and never recover. Tannehill wasn't impressive in college and he won't be in the NFL. He should of been drafted in the 2nd round. He's much of a project as you'll get at this point. Thing about Sanchez is he's improved each and every year and given what happened to us last year with the entire team under-performing, to say he regressed to the point where a Tim Tebow would take his job is absolutely insane, and honestly plain fucking stupid. We started Sanchez his rookie year - he's made it through a lot of tough patches and responded well, he's going to the the exception to the rule with QBs coming out too early. And he's no where near as physically talented as Cam Newton who was technically a 1 and done. You need to stop with the bullshit bro.
I never argued that Orton or Fitzpatrick were better than Sanchez. I argued that neither team would be willing to trade a first to get Sanchez. If you are going to call my post bullshit, at least read what I actually wrote.
Exactly and that's what I'm disagreeing with you about, were talking about value in a player. If the Raiders were willing to trade the draft pick farm for a washed up Palmer, if Sanchez were available instead, you could bet they would trade a first rounder for Sanchez straight up. A team that started Kyle Orton, Would you disagree that McDaniels (at the time of him being a HC with Orton as the starter) wouldn't trade a #1 for Sanchez? Tebow Time in Denver would never happen If the Bills weren't dumb enough to give Fitz a contract extension, this could be distinct possibility as well. Of course the Jets wouldn't be that dumb to trade a potential franchise QB to a division rival Of course a bunch of what if but that's pretty much what this debate is about.
Wow. So you are serious about Prton being a top 15. Just because he's backing up Romo, doesn't mean he's a starting caliber QB for more than half the NFL. Cuz if he was, he would have waited for a starting spot or at least a spot to compete somewhere. And there were plenty of QB movement this FA. If u had any credibility on this board, not much of it is left.
Wow. You have absolutely no idea how NFL works. If Pats have Brady, they have zero value for Manning and vice versa. Does that mean Manning is worthless in the NFL? Maybe in your world. Sanchez is an upgrade over half the NFL QBs. Now it's up to the teams to decide if he's worth spending a first on. Teams like Refskins and Colts, he was worth a first if they didn't draft a QB. Browns will pay up a first. Cards, Seahawks and plenty others will pay a first rounder for him.
In each of your arguments you are going back in time and using hypothetical situations that don't actually exist. My posts were aimed at responding to the following statement: By "ar", I assume he meant "are", meaning that there "are 16 teams right now" that would trade away a first round pick to get Sanchez. The KC Chiefs started Orton for part of last year, but they also have Cassel. Are either great? No, but it makes no sense for them to trade away a future first for another QB, unless we are talking about a true upper tier one, which Sanchez is not. It is a simple fact that they would not trade a first for Sanchez right now, even if the opportunity existed. The Raiders also would not trade a first for Sanchez right now, because they just unloaded a first and a second last year to get Palmer... they simply can't afford to change their mind at this point. I never mentioned whom they would choose "if Sanchez were available instead" 7 months ago, when they were actually looking for a QB, because that is a hypothetical situation that frankly isn't relevant to the conversation. The Bills also wouldn't trade a first for Sanchez. They just paid their QB a lot of money to stay for years to come. It is very simple, it wouldn't happen. In your hypothetical dream world, where Fitzpatrick doesn't have a big contract, who knows what would happen... either way it changes nothing that I said. All of my comments were meant to be taken in the context of reality. I'm not trying to argue who would have done what at such-and-such time, assuming such-and-such circumstances. I was responding to a post simply stating that there are 16 teams in the NFL who would trade a 1st round pick for Sanchez, given the opportunity... and my response is that this number is absolutely ludicrous and entirely unrealistic. You can argue all day long about how Sanchez is clutch, and Orton and Fitzpatrick are both stat-padders. If you honestly believe that either Oakland, Buffalo, or KC would trade away a first round pick right now, given the current circumstances, then just say so... then we might actually have something to discuss.
Do you guys ever actually make any effort to comprehend what you read? Where did I say that Sanchez is worthless? All I said is that he isn't worth a 1st round pick right now to 16 different NFL teams. It isn't even close. I think that 4 teams might be interested right now in trading away a first for Sanchez, if the opportunity were available. I think that number is reasonable. Honestly, I think it is optimistic for the Jets to think they could get four teams interested. 16 TEAMS IS NOT REALISTIC. ^^^^ See that right there, in bold, italicized, and underlined? That is the point that I am making. Not that Sanchez is worthless, not that Orton is better, and not anything else. If you disagree with the above statement, tell me why, and then we can begin to talk.
Right. If he was the 15th best QB in the NFL he'd be starting somewhere. Since he's in a guaranteed backup position that tells you he's more like 33rd+. And it's not like he hasn't had opportunities to show his stuff. He lost the starting QB job in two cities before accepting his role in Dallas.
