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Meh. Looking at the abundance of 1st round trades this year, what would it have netted us? A 4th? A 3rd? Both teams got their man, it doesn't much matter where.
Explains why we took so long, and it explains a lot our interest in Irvin. Clearly, the Jets liked Irvin, even Rex acknowledged that. Seems to me the Jets wanted to get someone to improve their pass rush in round 1, with Coples and Irvin topping the list. I think the Jets figured they could drop to 24 and Irvin would be there as a backup choice if Coples wasn't, but Seattle had other ideas. Or maybe the Jets really did want Irvin at 24. The Jets definitely would not have taken him at 16 though, this basically confirms that. Whether the Jets preferred Hill or Irvin, I do not know, but I think the Jets felt Irvin was more important, if they had the choice. At 24, Irvin would not have been bad. At 16 it would have sucked.
Woulda got us way more than a 4th to move down that far. My guess is either a 2nd, or a 3rd + 5th at the very least Got to admit with some of the OL guys available in middle rounds I woulda LOVED to trade down and revamp our line, but its difficult for me to complain about this draft as well. We got some guys with great potential, and terrific late value
My guess would be that Tannenbaum and Rex had a handful of players they believed they could guarantee being their if they traded with the Steelers, but once Irvin was taken, that list shrunk to a number that meant they might miss out on one of their guys at 24, so they backed out and simply accepted getting one of their guys at 16. I wouldn't be surprised if they assumed Seattle was going to take Kirkpatrick....meaning they could target one of Coples, Ingram, Irvin, Jones, and possibly McClellin and Mercillus....but once Irvin was taken they didn't want to take that risk anymore. [/pure speculation]
Interesting. I wanted a trade down, but I'm very glad we got Coples over Irvin. Of course, it would have been Irvin + a few guys so ...
Coples wouldn't have lasted till 24. If the Jets traded down they were going to wind up with Shea McLellin or Whitney Mercilus as their 1st round pass rusher. Maybe Nick Perry or Melvin Ingram if things broke really wrong for them. Coples probably goes to the Chargers on the 18 or the Bears on the 19, stopping his slide for the same reason the Jets did: a proven two way player with great measurables who can apply pressure from inside or on the edge. The interesting thing about the story if true though is that the Jets were going defense on that pick no matter where they wound up in the round. No real surprise there since Rex is a defensive coach and the Jets clearly want to pack the defense with as many impact players as possible. It does however mean that the Jets offense is likely to be the second unit on the team for Rex's tenure as head coach. There are several prominent holes on that side of the ball and there were players available to fill them as both safe and value picks and yet the Jets weren't going to do that no matter how the draft fell to them. If the Cowboys don't spend a 1st on Michael Irvin the year before they draft Troy Aikman and a 1st on Emmitt Smith the year after there is no way they put together that dynasty. They gave Aikman great playmakers around him and made it clear that he would not be allowed to fail. They also put together a great defense but not before they made sure the offense was going to cook just fine.
You can't take everybody, but if it's true that DeCastro is the greatest interior line prospect in the last 10 years, he would have been a good pick for us at 16. Slauson isn't great and Brandon Moore isn't getting any younger. The Steelers lucked out. They gave up nothing and still got their guy. Based on the Steelers penchant for hitting home runs in the draft and the Jets' record of bungling and waste, while I am hoping for the best, I wouldn't be surprised to see Coples out of the league in 3 years and DeCastro wind up in Canton.
No, this draft doesn't show Jets offense will be the 2nd unit under Rex. And you can't say Jets have ignored offense under Rex. Rex era's first two picks (QB n RB) were offense and we traded up for them, and then they traded for two more starting WRs, n picked up Another RB (LT) via FA to start. Even in this draft, Jets traded up in 2nd round for offense. You basically made the assumption Rex will ignore the offense to pick up impact defensive player, which I strongly disagree. Rex has improved the D a lot, but he didn't ignore the offense at all. Jets have gone D first the last three drafts but that's because they were all need based. Wilson was an insurance policy for Revis. Wilk was a replacement for Shaun, n Coples brings a much needed pass rusher. The only offensive spot we ignored this draft was RT and we didn't even address it with one of those late picks. Something tells me they think VD and WH will play better under sparano's offense. we addressed the need for a speedy WR after trading up for him. And maybe the Cowboys don't have that dynasty without Irvin n Smith, but they also wouldn't have had it without 'Primetime' Sanders. Argument can be made both ways. The Pats haven't had a top 5 D in a long time. They also haven't won a SB without a top tier D. Steelers, Saints, Giants, Ravens...they all had great Ds when they won SBs. Greg Williams D was excellent the yr they won. All the SB winning teams had good to great QBs also. So no, when you say that the Cowboys dynasty was due to their offense and that we should follow, I say no. We don't 'have' to follow. We can go the other route where the D can be the better unit. Now imagine this exact Jets team with Matthew Stafford as QB. This team instantly becomes a SB contender. But Jets got the 2nd best QB that year who was considered a close second to Stafford at the time. Jets of course had to go winless with Favre to get Stafford, but that's not the point.
Weren't you the one criticizing the Davis pick? DeCastro was the 24th pick, meaning 23 teams thought he wouldn't bring as much value to their team as the media and other non professional scouts reported.
As mentioned on a post in another thread, the defensive players are much older than the offensive players, so they really need young blood on D.
It's the "Von Miller Effect." Blazing, explosive one-dimensional linebackers are going to be the new trend to instantly upgrade a pass rush.
Can you imagine if the Jets had taken Irvin at #24? If you think the negative attention that Coples received is bad the Irvin analysis would have been 10x worse.
And the fact he fell that far makes you wonder what all the league GMs know that fans do not. Plenty of teams could use DeCastro if he was really that good.
Ben Roethlisberger fell to the 11th pick. Troy Polamalu fell to the 16th pick. Maurkice Pouncey fell to the 18th pick. Heath Miller fell to the 30th pick. Kendrell Bell fell to the 39th pick. Lamarr Woodley fell to the 46th pick. Mike Wallace fell to the 84th pick. All top talent, with a couple of potential first ballot HOFers sprinkled in here and there. I'm sure people 'wondered' why they fell so far. They were drafted by a team that knows how to let players fall to them. Yet that same team was willing to trade up in the first round to get DeCastro. Instead, the Jets did what they do... they panicked and stayed put to draft a pass rusher when their classicly meager draft board instantly began falling apart. Instead of wondering what all the league GMs know that the fans do not, maybe you should be wondering what the Steelers know that the rest of the league's GMs do not.
And yet with all those guys falling, they were willing to move up to Decastro. If the Steelers are the end-all, be-all in draft, wouldn't that lend credence to Tannenbaum's idea that if there's a player that you like enough, it's worth it to move up?
