Totally agree. I think a lot of Jets fans forget that the lack of camp last year really impacted the guys from the last two drafts. I think Vlad, Ellis, Powell, and Wilson will show a lot more this year than they have in the past. And I feel Wilson is already showing a lot, so I can't wait!
I love this blanket "he got better!" statement. Based on what? He was still rated as one of the worst CBs in football and he doesn't even cover good WRs. Half of his value was in returning punts. What happened to that?
It is well accepted it typically takes a CB prospect 2-3 years to get ready to play and I think Wilson is going to have an excellent season (and we need him to given the uncertainty over Revis' future with the team)
Show some proof, that's an opinion. Wilson was our nickel last season and played well. While Wilson had a bad 1st season in 2010, he showed improvement last year. Anyone who thinks Wilson didn't improve from year one to year two doesn't understand football. No CB in year one usually does well, McCourty was an exception and fell flat on his face in year two. Revis' first year as a Jet showed growing pains. I remember a lot on this site regretting the trade up for Revis after his 1st year. Wilson is a solid CB that is constantly improving, he's on the upswing and not declining. Either you're getting better or worse, nobody stays the same, Wilson is getting better.
I just love seeing things where guys like Donovan Warren were supposed to be a top 20 pick, end up being an UDFA who never plays in an nfl snap
For the research averse: Kyle Wilson was 8th worst in football in completion percentage against. For reference, Revis was the best in all of football in this same stat done by PFF. Cromartie was 6th best. Oh and before we get the "he gets picked on bc of Revis and Cro!": Revis was targeted 84 times, Cro 81, and Wilson 60. Again, a first rounder who cant do anything but play nickel and gives up a top 10 worst completion percentage against is not something Id be touting.
and just for fun, if you check those stats, I believe 9 of the bottom 10 are all slot corners. save for McCourty of course. Playing slot, means you are going to give up receptions, it happens. Is K-Dub awesome? No, but he is improving, and he made great strides in year 2. Considering he is a Jet, we should be happy he is improving. There isn't anything he can do about year 1 or year 2 anymore. All he can do is continue working as hard as possible to improve even more in year 3. It should also be pointed out that this is his first real NFL offseason.
They aren't all slot corners, and the irony of this statement is two fold: 1) teams use their weakest corners in the slot, so the reason slot corners rate worst is bc they are usually the easiest targets compared to the real CBs. 2) the caveat of nickel corners is that in theory they are targeted more, which is unfair. Wilson however, was target much less than he other CBs. So that disclaimer does not apply to him. He may have improved on his near useless rookie year, but he still isn't very good.
First, don't start an attitude about "research averse", I guess you don't know me that well. Nobody on this draft forum studies players more than I. Please provide the link to your stat research. Also, stats aren't the only issue when evaluating players. Kyle Wilson wasn't a liability last season. With your attitude toward rookie and 2nd year corners, you would've run Revis out on a rail. With all the multiple WR sets in the NFL, Wilson is just as important to our defense as Revis & Co. We can think of Wilson as a Nickel, but he's clearly the 3rd CB who is on the field the majority of the time.
One Wilson had a much better year last year and is high on the rise. He is a solid tackler, can blitz and can shut down slot WRs... he is competing with Cromartie and Revis..he is going to be great for us..our secondary is going to be nasty this year..I can't wait to see what our defense looks like..Antonio Allen backing up Landry is great insurance and this Bush kid has nice range for a free safety and can guard man to man...we are making the right moves..
And I'll follow this up with a request that anyone who honestly believes Wilson will develop into, at even the very least, a decent no. 2 CB, please explain what you have seen from this past season's games that would lead you to believe that. What I've seen is a nickel back without fluid hip movement, a terrible running stride (i.e. his terrible stutter-stepping, killing his overall stride and reaction burst), a general hesitance in his WR/ball reactions, and average tackling ability. I'm certainly not saying he will, without doubt, never amount to a no. 2 CB, and I'll even concede that he's shown improvement on a (weak) rookie season. But I've seen nothing from watching this past season's games to suggest his improvement trajectory is as steep as some are suggesting, and I don't foresee him ever climbing out of the nickel role...
Dthomas totally on point. The statistics only serve to backup what you see from him on the field, which are terrible hips and questionable instincts. Again, if you draft a guy in the first round and he is not just at best your nickel back, who gives up one of the leagues worst comp %, you should be disappointed.
Still waiting for a link. Terrible hips & questionable instincts?? Where do you guys get this crap from???
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/12/cornerbacks-a-glance-at-the-2011-numbers/ Again, he was targeted 60 times. He was a first round draft pick and plays a part time position. Also there are 32 teams, so even IF all slot receivers are just naturally screwed, he'd still be in the bottom 25th percentile of THOSE guys. There is a reason they paid Cromartie, and that Wilson is a nickel. He's not a very good CB. I don't understand where people get this idea to contrary.
It is generally accepted CBs take 2 to 3 years to develop. We also have the #1 and #6 best CBs in the league in the backfield so not supplanting them is no knock on him at all. The reason they paid Cro and took Wilson as a 1st round pick was precisely to guard against what is a not unikely scenario, i.e. that Revis' position becomes untenable.
Anyone who thinks Wilson is a bust or even a disappointment is an idiot. He is a straight up baller. He doesn't start...but what young corner would w/ Revis & Cromartie in front of them? As far as I'm concerned, It's no longer who your # 1 & #2 WR's are..now you have to be stacked 3 deep. How many defense's in the league are fully equipped to combat that 1 for 1? Not many. The Jets are one of them.
Hmmmm...I guess Skip Bayless is on theganggreen now and his user name is GoldenShowers...Makes sense because he is just pissing away anything good about the kid and instead points out a stat that's irrelevant considering he gets pretty much everything thrown his way because of revis and cromartie AND STILL DOES A GOOD JOB. It's like saying: Hey did ya hear?! Chad Pennington has a better career passer rating than Dan Marino! That must mean Marino wasn't that good of a qb! ...please...piss off...you're an idiot
Grow up people. The kid statistically is terrible. Where are your stats showing he is a capable corner? Remember this kid was here BEFORE they resigned Cro. He was drafted to be the #2 CB and Rex didn't trust him there so they spent a ton of money on a CB who can actually cover legit WRs. Instead of being homers and children, please show me evidence other than "u suck Kyle is a baller" as to why this kid is even close to decent.
