Jets vs Pats Draft Analysis

they are still a winning organization. I believe only NE, Indy, Pitt and Bal have more playoff apps in that span.

Those Lombardi's in NE are starting to get very dusty, we are approaching almost 10 years since you won your last and in the last 10 years NE, Pitt and GB have 5 Lombardi Trophies. 2001 doesn't fall w/in the last 10 years or 10 seasons.

 

I'm not disputing that.

However, winning Super Bowl teams will always get a media bias.

Other teams not so much.

 

I understand why they get so much positive press, teams like NE have earned that press but that doesn't mean every draft should automatically be considered great especially the w/ the track record in the last 7-8 years that tells us otherwise.

 

Compared to what? Getting to the AFC championship two years in a row? La de da.

 

That and the fact the Belichick seems to like mystifying the draft experts. So this year he trades up when everyone expects him to trade down or out in the 1st round.

It's a good story. "Belichick always keeps you guessing" or "we really don't know what the h*ll Belichick is thinking but he seems to do well whatever we think"

 

we do have 4 playoff wins in the last 3 years including a thumping of the Pats in NE while the Pats only have 2 playoff wins one of which was against a .500 Tim Tebow led bronco team.

 

Exactly! Winning shouldn't immunize teams, players, coaches, etc, from criticism. For example, the Pat's D has sucked over the last few years, yet we hear about how Belichek is a defensive genius over and over again.

 

I totally agree with that Joe Willie.

Could BB have done better, especially with all the pick he had? Absolutely.

Am I satisfied with the on-field results? Absolutely.

BB needs to stick to drafting Olinemen, Dlinemen and TE's bcause he cannot draft a good CB, RB or WR (I'm still pissed he passed on Dez Bryant) if his life depended on it.

 

The Jets great and distinguished brain trust
Thought drafting Bruce Irvin a must
Seattle took their draftee
So Coples was plan B
And likely a new dumb lazy bust!

 

The Lombardis are getting dusty while you hang your hat on playoff appearances and losing championship games?

I'm just busting your balls, of course, but there was some irony in that post, you have to admit. :beer:

This one's why I had to add my worthless two cents to this thread though:

Good God this post has more holes than the Flight Crew.

1. "When you know the play coming, it is easy to play great defense and be called a defensive genius."

Sure. Problem is, the Patriots weren't accused of stealing offensive signals. They've been using headsets in QB's helmets since long before 2007. They were accused of stealing defensive signals. Never offense.

I have no problem with people taking it to the extreme with Spygate. But when someone makes these statements and clearly does not understand Spygate, and is obviously completely ignorant of facts, then no offense, but STFU. You're making yourself look dumber than you probably are.

2. The sole reason the Patriots haven't won a Super Bowl since 2004 is Spygate.

"Spygate" would have made Tyree drop that ball in the first Giants SB?

Or somehow Asante Samuel would have held on to that INT?

Or maybe the utterly perfect execution by Eli Manning and Manningham on the long pass of the game-winning drive back in February, or maybe made Welker catch that ball that would have iced the game before that even happened?

The Patriots won three Super Bowls, two of them with a lot of luck on their side. And they've lost two Super Bowls with luck working mostly against them. After seeing the Jets go to two AFCCGs, you guys should know it's pretty goddamn hard to win championships in the NFL. You need to be good, yes, but you also need a bounce or two to go your way.



As for the original topic, I think the Patriots have done well in some areas and poorly in others in the draft. First round picks have been mostly solid, as have certain positions (OL). They've also had some success in later rounds that's provided them with depth.

Their failures have, for the most part, come in rounds 2-4, and at certain positions (most obviously CB and WR).

And of course the media doesn't treat each team evenly and with total objectivity. When have they ever done that? The Patriots get a pass on things that the Jets would not get a pass on, and the Jets get blasted for things that the Patriots would not get blasted for. I remember when they were one of the NFL's doormat teams though, and that didn't happen overnight. When you win more games in a decade than any other team, go to five Super Bowls and win three of them, and basically defy convention with prolonged success in an environment built to promote parity, that happens.

 

I know bucky brooks seems to be one of the worst analysts (if thats not too strong a word) on nfl.com but seriously?????

Hilariously he actually calls Hill our most questionable pick!! The one pick pretty much everyone else agrees makes sense and was good value.

Seriously, how do people get these jobs?

 

You know what I meant:grin:

 

Picks over the last 5 years

Round 1: Meriweather ('07 bust), Mayo ('08), Devin McCourty ('10), Nate Solder ('11)

Rounds 2-4: Kareem Brown ('07 bust, but he was a 4th rounder), Terrence Wheatley ('08 bust but still an NFL player), Shawn Crable ('08 bust), Kevin O'Connell ('08), Jonathan Wilhite ('08 an NFL player), Patrick Chung ('09), Ron Brace ('09 an NFL player), Darius Butler ('09 bust bust), Sebastian Vollmer ('09), Brandon Tate ('09), Tyrone McKenzie ('09 bust), Rich Ohrnberger ('09 bust), Gronk ('10), Jermaine Cunningham ('10 an NFL player), Brandon Spikes ('10), Taylor Price ('10 bust), Aaron Hernandez ('10), Ras-I Dowling ('11), Shane Vereen ('11), Stevan Ridley ('11), Ryan Mallett ('11).

By "an NFL player" I mean he's been good enough to stay in the league, which is important when evaluating later picks.

Also, considering the Pats like to go high-risk, high-reward in Rounds 2-4, I'd argue they've done a better job drafting in those rounds than the 1st, especially given how high Mayo was picked. The Patriots have been extremely successful over the past 5 years in Rounds 2-4 (Chung, Vollmer, Tate, Gronk, Spikes, Hernandez). The only consistently crappy drafting the Pats have done in Rds 2-4 was taking CB's.

 

We can't draft an early round WR to save our lives, either. Our good WR's are products of trades or free agency.

Edit: It's also easy to say that the Pats have the most draft picks who end up not playing anywhere due to the fact that we draft more players than everyone else. More picks = more chances to strike out, and when so many of those picks come in rounds 4-7 the odds are even less in your favor.

 

Good research, thanks. Just doing a quick count, and giving some players the benefit of the doubt (like Jermaine Cunningham, who was essentially invisible last season), they're batting roughly .750 in the first round and only about .500 from rounds 2-4.

First round: 3 players, 1 bust (Merriweather will probably play a few more years, but he wasn't a first-round talent)

Second round: 11 players, 10 busts

The one thing I do like about how they operate is that they'll cut high (2nd, 3rd) round picks after a year or two without a second's hesitation. Belichick will gamble on guys but when he knows they're not going to work out he cuts his losses and moves on. I'd rather have it work that way than for him to salvage his ego as a talent scout and hang onto them longer than he should.

 

Of course... like I said, just bustin' em.

 

The WR debacles have been especially frustrating. From Bethel Johnson to Chad Jackson to Taylor Price... I don't know if it's their scheme being hard to pick up on for rookies, or if they're just swinging and missing on these guys. I'd have to guess the later, since none of them have gone on to have success anywhere else.

 

How do you consider a 2-time Pro Bowl safety a bust?

 

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