That's true. We really have no way of knowing. The Jets brass could be lying just as easily as telling the truth. Look at the Cleveland Browns before they drafted Weeden. They acted as if they were all in with Colt and then did completely the opposite.
Why was this moved to tebowmania? It was a thread started dissecting the possibility of the Jets using the option given some of the players recently drafted and Sporano as the OC... Just because some people discuss tebow within a thread doesn't mean it needs to be sequestered and quarantined as if it's diseased... This was a Jets thread, not a Tebow thread.... Just my $0.02
Don's sweat it. It will be fun to watch heads explode when Timmy is leading the Jets to championships --- Derp? What forum for this?!
Thats probably the main reason i want to see Tim succeed.... just to watch all the crow eating. I enjoyed it last year on the Denver forums and can't wait to see it this year.
Might not be this year. And maybe he'll help them when as something other than the starter at quarterback. But I think this "Tebowmania" subforum will be a constant albatross when actual wins, actual football feats involving Tebow are coming up for discussion. I think it will be realized that it's kind of problematic to start a special forum -- because that "derp" moment will come, one way or another, sooner or later.
Ummm, yes, it is indeed true that Cam is a better passer than Tebow. Much of that is due to his good mechanics. Jesus, why does everyone think that things are binary, and that if you say one person is better at something, that it must mean that the other person sucks at it ? It doesn't matter that Cam had a loaded offense this year or in college. The FACT is that he is a more polished passer. This one simply isn't up for debate. Watch him throwing the ball and watch Tebow. Cam also had the benefit of taking snaps from under center while at Blinn Jr. College and at Auburn as well. I.e. he already has experience with taking the snap, doing 3, 5, and 7 yard drops, and having the correct footwork. All of these are things that Tebow is still working on. As for the interceptions, that doesn't speak to his PASSING ability, rather, it says something about his decision making ability.
So are interceptions exclusively decision-making mistakes? I hope that's not what you're implying. They're both about decision-making and accuracy (you can make a great decision but if your accuracy is crap the decision-making didn't cause the INT).
No.. all that matters are results.. when it mattered most Tebow was the better passer.. you are condemning him because his motion looks weird and because he played in Fox's offense. Who are you to say what mechanics are right and what are wrong? There is no real science there.. Tebow may have a longer weirder looking motion but it may be more effective.. people make assumptions that aren't based on anything.. that doesn't make them right it's all guess work. IF they knew what they were talking about all these QBs wouldn't bust and you wouldn't have guys like Tom Brady and Brees surpassing expectations all the time.. By you logic Cam Newton shouldn't even be int he NFL because there are countless QBs that look like better passers than Cam.. And yet won fewer games... and had tons of interceptions.. and a worse running game than Tebow witha better offense... Tebow beat the Steelers in the playoffs.. I think cam is the one that needs the work not Tebow.. WTF? that makes zero sense... if Tebow had all those interceptions people would say it was his long throwing motion that caused them... it just shows how it's all BS.. looks mean nothing. Orton looks like a more polished passer and decision maker than Tebow and Cam combined.. yet he has been kicked to the curb time and time again..
In my view, most (not all) interceptions come down to decision making. It might be a QB thinking that he's more accurate than he really is, and trying to stick a ball in a place he has little chance of hitting. Or, he might think that he can throw it harder and blow right past a defender. Yada, yada, yada.
Good lord, don't really even know where to begin. Guess I'll start with the fundamentals, and that is noting that there is a difference between saying that someone is a good "passer" and saying that they are a good QB. Guess what ? Kyle Orton WAS a better passer than Tebow was last year. That said, Tebow was a better QUARTERBACK. Orton's problems aren't that he can't pass the ball. His biggest problems are that he crumples like a napkin under pressure and that he has little leadership ability. He's not a guy that can lead his team anywhere, but sure, he can come in and throw some pretty passes if need be. As to your comments about Brees and Brady, again, that speaks to the difference between talking about a "passer" and talking about someone's ability as a QB. "Passing" is just one component of being a QB, and one can be a good QB without being a great passer. One can also be a great passer, but a lousy QB.
Reminder: There was a time when passing the football was looked upon as a loser 'system'. Currently most NFL gurus believe a pure pocket passer is the key to SB paradise. Based on the current successes of more athletic QBs, we may be witnessing the NFL's next evolutionary step.
There are multiple errors in your logic here.. first of all.. Orton is NOT a better passer than Tebow.. this goes to the heart of all the misconceptions. Orton played with Lloyd last season Tebow did not. Last season Tebow outplayed Orton on the same team. Tebow is a far better deep passer than Orton.. Orton has a weaker arm yet no one mentioned this last season when everyone was saying Tebow had no business starting over Orton. It just goes to show that Tebow is viewed irrationally... Again.. I saw Tebow make far better passes to win games than Orton did. So is Orton a better passer than Tebow? Orton and Cam are a lot alike.. they both excel passing short. I don't know how this came to be considered being a better passer... being a weak downfield passer kills your run game. Running wins playoff games.. When Cam quit trying to pass the ball so much and therefore quit turning the ball over and ran more like Tebow he won more games last season. He learned that watching Tebow. Just because Tebow doesn't have to rely on his passing doesn't mean he can't pass. He was hamstrung by having no receivers last season and having no real offense..
Just remember I told you so... looks can be very deceiving. Do you remember last preseason when everyone said Colt McCoy was going to tear the NFL up? They said he was a better passer than Tebow too.. the dude has a weeny for an arm.. he was living off gimmicky dinking and dunking.. a lot like Cam.. Cam just has a much better offense..
This is the single most retarded statement I have ever read in my entire life. You Tebots are ridiculous. Tebow is our Wildcat QB, he will not start a single game for the Jets while Sanchez is on the tea, barring injury, and if he does start games for us, prepare to go back to being the SOJ and going 4-12 every other season. He's a shit quarterback and has no business throwing the ball in the NFL. The only thing he should be doing is running it.
Yes it does in my book. Otherwise you need other players to bail you out by getting yards after catch... it would be like a game manager needing a runningback to carry them like Sanchez...
