Jets vs Pats Draft Analysis

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  1. displacedfan

    displacedfan Well-Known Member

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    Why are you so focused on the home part? The jets werent 7-0 at home that year.
     
  2. strngplyr

    strngplyr Well-Known Member

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    On the Brady 6 program BB stated that Brady had a much better preseason and the only thing that held them from making Brady the starter was that Bledsoe had more experience.
     
  3. ScotsJet

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    Sanchez may be statistically mediocre, but who cares about stats when he's won more playoff games than any other Jets qb in history?

    I'll take playoff wins over pretty stats any day, though obviously I'd prefer to have both.

    Even playing poorly in 2011, Sanchez led us to dramatic late comeback wins at Buffalo, at Washington and against San Diego.
     
  4. Biggs

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    They have been to 2 SB's since 2004. They have consistently won and put themselves in position to compete for a SB almost ever year. When you win you don't get early draft picks unless you make moves. BB has maintained a consistent 12 plus win team over more than a decade, gone to 2 SB's in the last 4 years. That's extremely difficult to do particularly when his staff has been raided for HC's almost every year.

    The reason the Pats get A's and are rarely second guessed is their organization is so far superior to the rest of the league and it is so obvious that you would look foolish second guessing them.

    The facts point to out that the Pats have a great organization by any metric.
     
  5. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    The pats could draft Jamarcus russell, Vernon Gholston and Blair Thomas and they'd be praised for it. The reason NE has stayed ahead of us for so long is b/c of the QB and HC combo. They haven't drafted well for the most part in the last 8 years or so which is why they stopped winning SBs and have wasted the 2nd half of Brady's career.
     
  6. PatsFanTX

    PatsFanTX Banned

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    Haven't drafted well for the last 8 years??????

    Good luck stopping Gronkowski and Hernandez this year.
     
  7. JetsUK

    JetsUK Well-Known Member

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    And those players perform as well as they do in large part because of Brady (same thing with Welker) - of course they are good players but Brady makes the whole team (and especially those short to mid-range receivers) look better than it really is (like the anti-(regular season)Sanchez).

    The Pats are OK drafters, they dont do any better than any other decent team in the NFL, no better or worse probably than the Jets, the Pats are where they are due to a great QB and a good HC that plays to his strengths - they are not the Steelers.

    Anyway, lets bookmark the thread and dig it up in 3 years when Brady is likely to be gone and see how the Pats are getting on post-Tom.
     
  8. Biggs

    Biggs Well-Known Member

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    http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2012/04/new_england_patriots_best_clev.html
     
  9. joesmoe39

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    you are really out there with all your name calling and twisted logic. to even think sanchez belongs in a conversation with any top ten qb is flat out laughable.
     
  10. MURDR

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    Really? Name 19 QBs better than him right now.
     
  11. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    No you haven't, sure you've hit on a few guys like the TEs but they ahve been very few and far btw. The reason your team is still one of the best is b/c of #1 the QB and #2 the HC.
     
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    So what you are saying is that under the NFL of today and with a high completion percentage QB the Jets would be on the same level as the Pats... Sweet, let's bring back Pennington. I knew we let him go too soon.
     
  14. CurbYourEnthusiasm

    CurbYourEnthusiasm Well-Known Member

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    You're cherry picking players. The majority of your drafts going back to '06 have been pretty subpar. 8 years might be stretching it, but his point has merit.

    To add onto this discussion:

    New England Patriots
    Picks: DE Chandler Jones, ILB Dont'a Hightower, SS Tavon Wilson, DE Jake Bequette, DB Nate Ebner, CB Alfonzo Dennard, WR Jeremy Ebert.
    Grade: A
    Analysis: Anybody who watched the Patriots' defense last season knows they were extraordinarily lucky to reach the Super Bowl. It might have been the second-worst overall defensive unit to get to the Super Bowl. To that end, Patriots coach Bill Belichick went defense, defense, defense and more defense in this draft. He also traded up twice in the first round to nab two terrific athletes to plug into the front seven. Jones is a great pass rusher and Hightower is versatile enough to play inside linebacker and defensive end (a rarity).

    New York Jets
    Picks: DE Quinton Coples, WR Stephen Hill, OLB Demario Davis, DB Josh Bush, RB Terrance Ganaway, OT Robert T. Griffin, SS Antonio Allen, WR Jordan White.
    Grade: C-
    Analysis: If you rearrange the letters in "Quinton Coples," you can easily come up with "Vernon Gholston" (OK, not really, but you get the point). Coples can do just about anything athletically on a football field. The question is whether he loves football. As an athlete, he should have been a top-eight pick, but fell to the Jets at No. 16 because of unimpressive effort. At least the Jets didn't take him as high as Gholston (the No. 6 overall pick in 2008). But you'd think that GM Mike Tannenbaum would have known better. On the flipside, the Jets got nice value with Hill in the second round. He was a guy some people projected in the first round. Davis is an explosive tackler but isn't great in coverage.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--2...-marks.html;_ylt=AgFwD1OcbWpf.rmuNhuucIU5nYcB
     
  15. Biggs

    Biggs Well-Known Member

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    If you looked at the article since 02 the Pats have produced the most All Pro players in the NFL. Doesn't mean that much to me but they clearly are doing either a better job drafting or at player development than the NY Jets by miles.
     
  16. CurbYourEnthusiasm

    CurbYourEnthusiasm Well-Known Member

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    Funny though, if you go back to '05 the Jets have been the far superior team drafting (2nd in the NFL behind GB) according to the Forbes article.
     
  17. CJLang

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    Since 02 the Pats have drafted more all-pro's than any other team (15). Ravens next with 13.
     
  18. Biggs

    Biggs Well-Known Member

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    Again, I don't put a ton of stock in the draft. At the end of the day it's about more than just talent, it's about player development and building a football team. There are no great objective way to figure that out before we get to see results.

    If you look at regular season the Pats probably have the best overall teams over a long period than any team in football. If you consider head to head with the trophy on the line you can make a pretty good argument that Jerry Reese is kicking BB ass.
     
  19. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Last year he was average, 2 years ago he was a top 10 type.
     
  20. Franchize

    Franchize Well-Known Member

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    We got good players...just not in the positions we needed them necessarily.
     

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