As a note since the Pats fans are all agreeing less with my logic and more with the fact it makes the Pats look good: I really like the Jets draft, I think it was a good move to take risks. Hill is the kind of risk you take if you are the Jets because if he develops he gives Sanchez a legit weapon in 2013 when you are deciding if Sanchez is the future. If he doesn't well with the age on D, and unless Sanchez progresses you might be blowing it up in 2014 or 2015. This team isn't in a spot like the Pats where they were legit title contenders with an elite aging QB who would rather have a player who has a C+ to B+ range like Hightower than a player like Hill who can be anything from an F to an A+ The Jets as a borderline playoff team with a younger lesser QB need an offensive impact player, so the risk is worth it.
I noted in the very next sentence that he is the most NFL ready, but regardless of reasons (I agree the coaching changes and such were likely the cause) he was regarded as a guy who was inconsistent game to game and play to play. If he has a poor work ethic than yes he could be a bust as a 1st rounder. Derrick Harvey was very productive in a better conference. Perhaps boom or bust is too extreme a phrase, but even Coples has question marks.
We whine..you bully. What the hell is the difference? Speaking of which, if we are so damn inferior to you...why the hell are you here? Go watch videos of your overrated string bean outside backer & leave us alone.
So because his coach was changed and he switched positions he is allowed to be as lazy as he wants and not give an effort the entire season? Not knowing what you're going to get from a player is the DEFINITION of boom or bust. Coples is it, and I've got news for you, so is hill. He was "complete" garbage last year, getting handled in every game because he didn't give it his all. That's what you're going to get if he decides to do that at this level as well.
BB is on record saying Brady wasn't named starter after outperforming Bledsoe in the preseason due to not having NFL experience yet. Sorry he wasn't dumb enough to throw a 6th round QB into the fire before he felt he was prepared. Sanchez has looked like a top notch QB starting from day 1, huh? Bottom 5 in most efficiency categories year in and year out.
Yea, but he rode the coattails of a top rated defense and a top rated running game to two AFCCG's, which he LOST. Over his 3 year body of work in the NFL, which consists of 53 starts, he is barely completing 50% of his passes and has a QB rating in the lower 70's.
Again the first playoff run you can make this argument, but not the second season where he came back against Lions, Browns, Broncos, Texans, and one more I can't remember. He also played great in a loss against Chicago and then played great in Foxboro part 2 and good in Pitt part 2 after winning in Pitt part 1. He was a key part in 2010-2011 season and was as important as more so in that playoff run compared to Brady's first super bowl run, Big Ben's first one, and Eli's first one. The first one for Sanchez, I agree he made plays but more so the team was winning like you mentioned
You forget that the offense, up until last year, was designed to keep the ball out of Mark Sanchez's hands. Think about that. Run the ball and throw 15-20 to minimize mistakes by our QB. Last year they loosened the leash and we all saw what happened.
Try again, in 2010-2011 Sanchez threw the ball less than 25 times twice all year including playoffs. 12/18 times he threw 30 or more times, 6/18 times he threw over 35 times so no you are wrong about 2010-2011 which I was referring to originally. Oh and 0 times less than 20 which you stated In 2011-2012 we saw what happens when you throw in no run game, lack of depth on the o line, no rt, a decline in defense, poor decision making by Sanchez and an injured Sanchez. If you put the majority of blame on Sanchez for last season, then you didn't pay attention to the season IMO. Sanchez was a part, but not the primary part
And in those games where he threw the ball 30 times or less: TD: 13 INT: 3 And when he threw the ball more than 30 times: TD: 9 TD: 11 Also keep in mind that he had twice the number of games where he threw more than 30 times, and still couldn't get more TDs. My point: If Sanchez is your QB, you need to gameplan around him NOT throwing the ball. Pretty shitty considering he's a QB.
That was the same situation for Ben Roethlisberger early on his career. That worked out fine. If you think the Sanchez pick was so bad do you feel Freeman would have been the guy who helped get them to two AFC Championship games? It's not just the playoffs, but Sanchez has had clutch regular season moments. In 2010 he had big moments against the Lions, Browns, and Texans. He also helped the Jets come back from 14 down against the Pats at home without Revis. He started the 2010 season with 8 Tds and no interception through 4 games. I get people are ticked off at Sanchez's peformance in 2011, but what would the Jets have been in 2009 and 2010?
I honestly don't know how you could say that when they were darn close to winning two more super bowls. If Eli doesn't get lucky in SB42, or if Gronk were 100% healthy in SB46, does the coaching stuff and FO then do its job because they would have won both games?
Okay Sanchez went 16 TD and 12 INT last year throwing more than 30 times and 10 and 6 less than 30. So yeah your stats really don't prove the point you are trying to make, twice.
no. the pats picked that kid up to play special teams. he was drafted only because former Patriot Mike Vrabel, who is now the linebackers coaching at Ohio State, made a personal recommendation to belichick.
why? because cassel and the patriots had a ridiculously easy schedule in 2008? against all the good teams that year like the steelers and dolphins (1st place) he was useless.
If the Braves came within a strike of winning the WS in 2 separate years, or do better than 116 wins a season (equivalent of a 16-0) regular season. Oh sure, Pats had a lot of stinkers. You can't cherry pick and not mention Vollmer (out of nowhere 2nd rounder), Chung, Spikes, Mayo, or late round/UDFA successes like Kyle Love. BB just sucked at drafting WRs and CBs, and TEs too until they hit home runs with Gronk and Hernandez. Pats get praised because they put themselves in a position to be flexible. Jets get praised because they take risks and be bold and confident about their direction (like moving up to take Revis and Sanchez). There are PLENTY of criticisms towards BB. The only difference is when BB puts up a head-scratching pick, the 5 Lombardis give him a benefit of the doubt. Rex & Tanny don't get one, for the opposite reasons. Actually, most Pats fans are more excited about the Hightower pick. How did they get the 2nd first rounder? That's right - trading out of 1st round last year and give Ingram to the Saints. No ones is nominating him as a Deacon Jones. Actually, not even a starter (unlike Rex). Virtually all Pats pundits and fans alike are looking at Jones as a developmental type, more a project. He'll also have a better chance to succeed as the Pats LB corp just got very young, and very athletic next to Mayo and Spikes. But seriously, you got Coples who fell from possibly the #1 DE in the draft, where Pats got a late riser. I say both are a bit of risky picks. Wouldn't you? The 2nd rounder sucked -- Wilson could have gone in the 5th. "Non-descript" players is a bit harsh though - Dennard was a certified 2nd round talent that got picked up in 7th (SEVENTH!). Ebert, the 7th rounder seems like another ST ace type, who could be an Edelman clone with more speed. Also, you must not follow college ball very much, because Bequette is a very solid pick at round 3, as much as the Demario Davis pick. Not all the time. Many 1st rounders flame out. Jets had their share, so did the Pats. Difference is, BB had never blown a high first rounder like Gholston. I believe "experts" lauded BB for getting 2 very good needs-based picks in Jones and Hightower. Nothing outrageous about that. Did you see Coples last year? He literally took the entire year off. Did you check Hill's production last year? He's a burner but not exactly a polished route runner. Point being, Jets would have been much better served if they went with DeCastro to bolster up the line, and go with a potential blockbuster runner like Miller. As a Pats fan, it seems there's a bigger chance of both Coples and Hill flaming out than Jones and Hightower. That's why I feel better after the draft than before. What you would call a double standard just maybe, earned due to having the best record over the last 10 years in the entire league versus a .500 one for the Jets.
No one is making any assumption. Coples flat out said he gave a C effort last year. I dont know how anyone can possible defend that and think that is ok.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he said he gave a C effort, and then later tried to correct himself by saying "what I meant was my performance." We all know what he truly meant.
