NY Rangers 2011-2016 Season + Offseason Thread

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  1. Poeman

    Poeman Well-Known Member

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    "The New York Rangers accept the NHL's three-game suspension of Carl Hagelin and will not pursue an appeal. However, we are thoroughly perplexed in the ruling's inconsistency with other supplementary discipline decisions that have been made throughout this season and during the playoffs. We will have no further comment on this decision."


    Rangers official statement.
     
  2. talisaynon

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    It's a pussy statement cause Dolan already doled out 50000 on behalf of torts.

    Retarded. Call the pussies out Dolan.
     
  3. Dirty6Sanchez

    Dirty6Sanchez Well-Known Member

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    I prefer if Dolan do his best to make me forget about his very existence. But hey, that's just me...

    BTW- That suspension IS horseshit
     
  4. Johnny English

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    3 games is a harsh punishment for a player with no track record.
     
  5. talisaynon

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    Rangers really pissed off Bettman this year. I think it's Tort's mouth.
     
  6. Johnny English

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    Maybe they gave him the suspension he deserves for the hit, plus the one they forgot to give Wolski earlier in the season.
     
  7. Mantana Soss

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    Letting Wolski play was the greater penalty.
     
  8. eyedea

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    What bullshit, unfucking real..
     
  9. NYJet87

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    This suspension shows the league has no interest in protecting player safety if it comes at the expense of ratings. Shanahan watches Shea Weber pound Zetterberg's head into the glass after taking a full-on swing at his head first and see's no suspension. Can't take one of the faces of the league out of a game. A rookie makes a mistake and throws a high elbow and gets three games? Three? Way to go Shanny, that oughta show everyone you mean business. Larry Brooks said it best: It's taken Shanahan three months to compile the criticism and reputation it took his predacessor years to establish.
     
  10. Johnny English

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    You know what's funny? This is a thread over 100 pages long about the New York Rangers that started at the beginning of the season. I just searched on your name for posts in this thread, before the middle of February you had one post. One.

    You are a classic bandwagon jumper. Your posts are homeristic nonsense that make no actual points and display next to no knowledge of the sport - at least none that don't read like they've been scooped from the worst excesses of HFBoards.
     
  11. Johnny English

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    I guess the difference is that Hagelin's offence was a textbook example of the sort of hit that the league has said that it's going to stamp out, whereas Weber's was a slightly more extreme version of the sort of nonsense that goes on behind the goal all the time. I do agree that Weber's punishment or lack thereof was a complete joke, but the better comparison for me is Wolski's hit on Alfie earlier in the season and the question to Shanahan as to why Hagelin gets three games where Wolski got none for this:

    [youtube]acCxnd-PWpU[/youtube]

    The answer, quite clearly, is because the Hagelin hit happened in a playoff game being broadcast in primetime, while the Wolski hit was only seen by actual hockey fans.
     
  12. NYJet87

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    It's just a poor decision on the league's behalf. Three game suspensions or worse are for egregious infractions by repeat offenders. He served his major, said his peace. Meanwhile, you have a breed of player on the verge of extinction blaming Boyle for his suspension because Boyle "didn't defend himself better" after being jumped. And even that was only a one-game suspension...for a guy who routinely compiles almost as much time in the penalty box as he plays on the ice.

    I'm obviously a Ranger fan, but this is far and away an outrageous suspension. Even the biggest homer of a Devil fan I work with said he couldn't believe how poorly it was handled (that almost shocked me as much as the suspension itself).
     
  13. Johnny English

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    There's no comparison with the Carkner decision. Show me another example of a player being suspended for attempting to start a fight with a player who immediately turtles. He already missed an entire game, that should have been suspension enough, but honestly I don't really care that much. I can live with the punishment, harsh though it may be - but Boyle started all of it in game 1. A guy who is 6'7" and 250lbs knows full well that he can't pull the sort of move he did on Karlsson and then expect to not get payback, especially when he was told in the warm up that it was coming. You don't get to have your players take cheap shots and then whine when someone takes retribution.

    I agree with you on the inconsistency of penalties for headshots. Hagelin gets three games for the hit on Alfredsson, Keith gets five for the hit on one of the Sedins, Wolski gets none for his hit on Alfie. It's comically poor. The Hagelin decision in isolation is fine - those sorts of hits need to be punished heavily enough to stop them - but put alongside other similar or worse offences with different punishments, it makes no sense.
     
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    They should have some kind of rule system in place, X amount of games for head shots deemed worthy of suspension, same for hits from behind ..etc.

    The other thing I noticed, since when has the playoffs become so pussafied? I remember when the refs would just let the players play. Too many calls for little b.s, I mean aside from the suspensions.
     
  15. Johnny English

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    Update: Alfredsson is on the ice participating in the Sens' morning skate.
     
  16. NYJet87

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    You're acting like the gloves got dropped and Boyle just dropped before Carkner could hit him. Carkner came from clear across the ice without Boyle ever seeing him coming. Apples and oranges from what he did to Karlsson. And of course Alfreddson is practicing. Too bad the Rangers passed on their appeal already. If he's gonna be in the lineup tonight, that should be reason enough to reduce the suspension. Shanahan admitted the injury had everything to do with the severity of the ban.

    I'll tell you one thing though, if John Scott is in the lineup tonight instead of Kreider I hope he takes all liberties. He's useless otherwise. Who cares if he goes out and gets suspended for the rest of the series. I'd go right at Neil if I were him. Just fighting with Konopka will accomplish nothing. He's better served in the penalty box than on the ice anyway
     
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    Have to play Kreider, Scott is useless, by the way this fuckin suspension is over the top, what should Asham get then 10 games?
     
  18. ShadeTree#55

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    Can't just whine about it, we are a better team. Lets just beat them.
     
  19. NYJet87

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    Useless as he may be, I don't think they're going to give Kreider his first start in a road playoff game. Idk, I just don't think it'll happen.

    EDIT: Andrew Gross/Bergen Record reports the Senators projections for Ranger lines are Fedotenko-Richards-Gaborik first line, Kreider playing with Boyle and Prust
     
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  20. Johnny English

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    I'm sorry, you're talking complete shit here. Watch the video from 1:35:

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    Carkner makes the check, pins Boyle to the board facing him, says something to him, throws his glove and then starts whaling on him. Boyle had plenty of time to defend himself, especially given he knew they were coming for him - Konopka told him in the warm up that they were coming for payback, and it wasn't like they waited ten minutes into the game. That was Carkner's first shift, and he took the very first opportunity to go and exact revenge on a guy much bigger than him.

    By contrast, Karlsson got clinched by a guy seven inches taller and eighty pounds heavier than him, then got sucker punched. I'm not really complaining about the punishment for Carkner, but an enforcer taking revenge for a cheap shot on a non-fighting skill player is the oldest hockey move in the book. I don't care how much of a fighter Boyle is or isn't (and he has had 16 NHL fights), when you take liberties with a much smaller skill player then you have payback coming and you know it.

    Give me one example of a penalty being reduced because the injury resulting from a horrible cheap shot wasn't as severe as first feared. Shanahan is an idiot.

    I would fucking love to see the Rangers dress John Scott. If Neil has any sense he'll do exactly what Boyle did and refuse the fight. We like extended powerplays.
     

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