Exactly! You don't replace 2/3rds of the receiving corps with no off-season and go pass happy. NFL teams do not prioritize correctly when constructing their teams and that is the core reason for the bad personnel decisions that are made. As far as I am concerned the top 3 areas for an NFL team are as follows: #1 - QB #2 - Offensive Line #3 - Pass rush (I didn't place defensive line here because this issue is really dependant upon whether you are running a 4-3 or 3-4.) Everything else in the NFL is just high-priced and shiny chrome. Your QB touches the ball every offensive play and runs the offense. No one on the field in any professional sports team has as much impact on the success of the team as does an NFL QB. His success directly impacts the success of RBs, WRs and TEs. The offensive line is a force multiplier engine that powers the success of the QB and the rest of the complimentary skill players on offense. A great offensive line gives that QB an extra second in pass protection. They open that hole that makes an average RB look good. They give enough time for the QB so that good receiver can get open and look great. As far as I am concerned, there is no point in wasting high picks on RBs and WRs anymore as a top priority. Players at both positions can be found throughout the draft and in UFA and are much more dependent upon the QB and OL positions. The pass rush is far more important than anything else on defense. With the league pass happy and rules designed to favor the passing game, you need to stop the passing offenses. Stopping the run is nice but no longer a high priority in today's NFL. Teams used to run to set-up the pass, now they pass to set-up the run. As I mentioned in an earlier post, pass rushers are that force multiplier on defense that impact far more in disrupting an offense than any other defensive position on the field. I don't care how great DR is - if you give a QB enough time every WR will eventually get open. As for Revis' worth, he is worth it to a team that thinks they are one player away from a SB. You don't think Jerry Jones won't give up two 1st round picks next year for DR if he thinks it will get them over the hump like Deion? You don't think Atlanta won't send a bundle of picks as well? What about Detroit? These teams in particular have problems with pass coverage and would definitely make these moves if the price was right. Revis has worth to teams that have a deficiency and are almost a SB caliber team. It doesn't matter what we think he is worth, it does matter to those teams that think they may (regardless of whether they are or not) be an impact player away from a championship.
You're either married to Marge Simpson or you smoking that same stuff that got Sanburnio booted out of Pittsburgh.
Revis may very well be the most skilled player in the NFL. He might even be the best at his job, relative to his stiffest competition. Maybe even relative to historic competition at the position. I think you can make arguments either way. What you can't argue, is that he's the most valuable. Hazard of the cornerback trade. Cannot be most valuable player in the league. Revis is almost regular chopped liver. Get it? Chopped liver? Hello? Testing Testing...is this thing on?
I can't believe there's 285 posts to this. There's not a single non qb prospect id take in this draft for Revis. We wouldn't get fair trade value if we did trade him but it sickens me this board is so open to a discussion of trading the best Jet of all time. Is there any loyalty here? do you think we would've sniffed back to back AFC championship games or even been close to 8-8 this year without Revis? this thread needs to die
I think ppl get carried away with overestimating revis value. His value is only high with a pass rush. He's eliminated the number 1 option every week minus a randy moss td with a bad hammy and dez bryant getting the best of him the 1st half of the dallas game That being said without a pass rush revis is overglorified cause of a lack of talent and depth on the rest of the defense. Revis is probably the best defensive player in the nfl and will be top 10 all time if he maintains his level of play. That being said if we continue to bleed ourselves dry to pay him and don't find a pass rush we will be wasting his talent and our money. The worst thing to happen was calvin johnson and larry fitzgerald contracts cause now revis will want Aso oakland money. While I think we should do everything we can to keep revis, its not completely retarded to explore options of what we could get for revis. This becomes even more plausible if wilson would step it up to the next level as an outside corner. Then again id rather have the best cb since deion and build around him but the jets have failed to do so.
You quote that part of my argument to say this? The one where I state that Revis is not a QB, not on the O-line, and not a pass rusher? You may disagree with me, but at least quote the right part where you disagree with. Unless of course, you do think that Revis is one of those three.
So we have to be loyal to a guy who was threatening to hold out from the team until he was made the highest paid CB in the league? I'm sorry, that's not how loyalty works. Loyalty is to the team, not the player. Revis is the best CB in the game. There's no questioning that. But CB is a position that you don't need to have the best at, especially when he's getting paid like the best. And yes, I think if you take Revis's salary and spread it out to other positions, we could have been better than 8-8. Because there are more impactful positions to be able to put that money towards. I think not entertaining a trade for Revis is being too unnecessarily attached to a player. The ultimate goal is to win the Super Bowl. If trading Revis can help that, then you do it. I'm not saying take 90 cents on the dollar. If you get fair value, I think it's worth investigating.
Good points but I don't see any other stars on the Jets for them to hand out the big bucks to. I don't really understand the whole he's not valuable without a good pass rush. He is extremely valuable at all times because he'll take any opposing #1 receiver completely out of the game. I don't hold it against Revis that he wanted to get paid for what he earned. I also disagree that we'd have a better team if we used the money we could've saved by not paying him for other positions. Revis should be untouchable. Cromartie is a luxury which I'm glad we have but if your using that could've saved money for other areas use it on him he only makes three million less. I just think it's a joke as fans we're discussing what we could get for the best player on our team. There's a reason stars don't get traded in the NFL and that's because their most valuable to their team and it's foolish to trade one of the best players ever at their position for a draft pick that might not amount to anything.
Does anyone here actually know what we have in Revis? We have a player that will hold out again and demand more money even if there isn't any money to go around. We have a player that will not re-work his deal to clear cap space and will not be a team player. I love the fact that he can simply shut down one side of field most of the time , but he is a me first kind of player. Honestly Id Trade him if the reward was right and we could actually come out ahead in the deal. :beer:
I get that Revis is a great player on the field, but he doesn't strike me as the type of player that makes anyone around him better. I agree with another poster that he seems like a me-first player. He does. He doesn't strike me as a leader. The only time you hear what Revis says or thinks, it's about how bad the locker room is. He's only a leader in that he's an amazing player on the field and can lead by example. You never hear about his positive spin on anything. Regardless, I stand by that he's an amazing player at a position you don't need an amazing player at. Ignoring that, if you can get fair value, I think it's worth investigating. I'm not of the mindset that draft picks are necessarily the answer. I wonder if the Jets might be able to get picks plus a legitimate pass rusher to go along with him? Just a thought.
I would only trade revis for brees straight up, then would trade tebow away and maybe sanchez away or keep sanchez to learn from brees. I would also try and trade for rice or forte and then draft WR and boom were a offensive machine!!
I think this has worked out pretty well for NE. The continue to let guys go/trade (Seymore, Branch, Moss, Mearyweather, Vrabel, ect..) and replace them with quality, young talent. Oh, they also seem to have cap space every year; something we dont. More food for thought on trading Revis...
Also think of the cap space you would have without #24's contract. You could sign 2 FA's and have thoes 2 picks....4 QUALITY players are more valuable than a CB...
I think you are missing the entire point here. People expect Revis to hold out..it's not like he hasn't done that twice before, right? They also expect that whatever he ultimately gets the Jets will not be able to afford it so the point is do you trade him before it gets that far and when you can still get a decent return. Once he does hold out nobody will make the same offer.
Where did you learn the meaning of the word "skilled" -- if you have, that is? I'm not saying he's right, but all he's saying is he believes Revis excels best at his position than any other player, not that he's the most important.
Lots of ifs and maybes in your post. I hpnestly wouldn't mind the Jets trading Revis, but I don't see that happening with big cap number he has. It's a damned if you, damned if you don't situation. You want to keep your young studs, but their demands eat so much of the cap. I'm probably alone on this, but in hindsight, I would have made his ass stew in Pennsylvania and not paid him. I'm sure there are people here more familiar with the cap situation than I, but it' becoming an anchor around the team's neck.
