I really like Sanu, but one stat that really had me thinking was 4 total catches over 20 yards. He has great hands, can catch in traffic and is great after the catch, but Im not sure if we can afford another receiver who cant separate and stretch the field. He could provide a great 3rd down/reliable option for Sanchez but our offense severely lacked some explosion last year and we need a WR who can help out with that. With that said, he isnt making it past the 2nd round.
I would rather bet my money on Russell Wilson becoming the next great short QB. I dont really care much about his height (he has a very high release with good arm stregnth and played with the tallest OL in the nation and fared pretty well); someone is going to get a hell of a football player in the 5th round or so.
That logic tells me you've never seen Stephen Hill, despite what you might say about "watching the tape". It's also the same nonsense that people said about D Thomas last year, because it's always smart to pass on 6'4 225 lb guys that can fly. Hill is physically more gifted than any other WR in the draft and that's not just athleticism. He's a strong receiver, takes on contact well, too good with his body/hands to be pressed, experienced blocker, great at going to get the ball in the air, powerful hands snatching it out of the air, and best of all fantastic body control. This kid has all of the tools beyond what everyone assumes because of his combine performance. That's because teams that needed a QB didn't know what they were doing. I have Osweiler and Weeden even at #4, with timing of the need being the only thing separating them.
I won't pretend to know TOO much about him or be an expert on GT football. What I will say is, he by far made the most hands catches at the combine. He'd be way higher IMO if it weren't for the system he was in. I like him. He looks the ball into his hands and doesn't catch it with his body. He adjust his hands according to the throw (as Michael Irvin always complains about young receivers not doing.) And like you said, he has incredible body control and athleticism. You can tell he knows it too because he doesn't give up on balls that most receivers would just chalk up as incompletions
I believe that is more of an indictment of poor QB play at Rutgers than his ability to stretch the field.
100% in agreement. My gut says that if he played anywhere but GT people would be whispering Calvin Johnson right now and not workout warrior (which is ironic bc of the GT thing). He has too much natural ability. When the QB can't throw past 15 yards, those 20+ plays are hard to come by. Sanu caught more passes inside of 5 yards, by design, than any player I've ever seen.
Nicely done, WW. I might rearrange a few but it's mostly nitpicking. If I were to choose one receiver that I'd like the Jets to draft this year, it would be Hill. He caught my attention when I saw his one-handed grab against UNC in highlights and I've been following him since. I originally wanted to grab him with our second or third, but the fact that he did so well at the combine seems to have pushed him into the back half of the first round. It sounds like he excelled in route-running drills, so I'm not surprised; that was the biggest knock against him as a prospect. I also heard an interview with him on NFL radio and it sounds like he's got a really good head on his shoulders, so there shouldn't be any diva concerns with him if he does end up succeeding at the next level. If we can trade back a few spots and grab either him or a guy like McClellin, Hightower, or Perry, I'd be incredibly happy. I wouldn't mind Wright either, but I think Hill better compliments what we currently have at the position.
Solid lists WW. I would put Miller over Martin. I think Miller is that rare back with both power and speed.
You are obviously sky high on Stephen Hill. Where is he on your WR rankings? WW has him 5th behind Wright and Jeffery. Have you placed Hill higher than those guys? Personally I am tempted to put Hill's higher in my WR rankings because his potential is so high. Yet, at some point, the production has to come into play. So i'm curious where you would stick Stephen Hill (a guy with limitless potential) compared to guys like Wright/Jeffery who have lower ceilings, but have much better production, and less questions about their floor at the next level.
Here's what I'll say. I think teams will pick other receivers ahead of him because I think they're more comfortable knowing what they'll get out of those guys. Some teams will be of the mind that they want a more consistent, likely not to bust player in the first, so they'd go Floyd or Wright, but then there are teams that want a kid like Hill to develop knowing that down the line he has the most potential. If it were my team and I had a WR coach I could trust then I'd go Hill. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see him drafted in the early teens to a team like Arizona, knowing that Larry Fitzgerald would work this kid into being a freak of nature.
I see that you have Glenn listed as a guard, where would you have his rated as a tackle prospect? just out of curiousity
I explained in my 1st post, I wasn't going to to rate players at multiple positions. IMO, Glenn will be a better guard than RT in the NFL, even though he can play both positions. So, I value Glenn higher playing G vs RT. It's difficult for me to value Glenn as only a RT. I do value Mike Adams and Bobbie Massie higher than Glenn at OT.
He reminds me ALOT of Rob Moore potential-wise. The Jets are gonna like this kid.Maybe he's not a complete receiver. But the element he DOES bring, is exactly what the Jets need in their offensive skill group. They need that big outside the hash basketball player type. Someone with a big wingspan who can be a target down field for Sanchez when he improvises. Maybe he only has 4-5 catches in a game,but those catches are for 80+ yards w/ a TD thrown in.Meanwhile he keeps the safeties honest, opens up the seam for Keller & keeps the double team off Holmes. He's a GREAT fit for Sparano's offense. For one, he's used to a run first offense, so he knows not to complain about getting the ball, and knows how to make the most of downfield opportunities when they arise.He's used to unique option pass plays (IE wildcat), and frankly Sparano's route tree isn't very complex...I don't think the lack of route tree with him is such an issue in this kind of offense. He's in essence a perfect fit for what the Jets need opposite Holmes. Now you have to answer these questions: 1. Is there a defensive player(IE pass rusher/backer or safety) that is a better fit who will be available when the jets pick? 2. 16 seems a little early. However, his very unique skillset may push him up draft boards. I think a team like SD would consider him. 3. Can you trade down & still get him?if so, what is the spot?
I think if he gets past the Bears pick at 19, you can trade down with the Lions (hope they want to jump up for a guy like Martin) and still get him. I think things get dicey after that with most teams beyond that spot being a potential landing spot.
If I may attempt to answer your questions, 1. If Melvin Ingram is gone, I don't see one. Perry doesn't really want to play in 3-4, Mercilus (IMO) can't play in a 3-4, reports have come out the Jets aren't interested in Upshaw in round 1, too early for Jones and McClelin (although, if we are reaching, this would be the guy I want). Also I hate Barron at 16. He isn't a major difference maker as a S prospect, so to me he doesn't constitute good value at 16. That said, sounds like he will be long gone. from an OL perspective, if DeCastro is available, I would pass on Hill for him. Secondly, Cordy Glenn is a guy I really like, and think he has serious value to us if DDC is gone. 2. You never know on draft day whats too early. SD could consider him, but it seems they want a pass rusher first and foremost. I have been hearing lots of love for Hill at 22 if the Browns take Richardson 4th. 3. I think so but, the stretch of teams who could take him is really 17-22 17 Cincy, needs a weapon opposite AJ Green 18 San Diego replacement for V-Jax 19 Chicago weapon opposite Marshall 20 Titans hardly any weapons in the passing game save for Britt, who is coming back from a season-ending knee injury 21 Cincy needs a weapon opposite Green 22 Cleveland need any playmakers on offense they can touch. That said, I can see those teams passing on WR's for the depth of the class, and the fact decent value at other needs is there. Particularly if Floyd is available at 16, you could probably convince Cleveland to move up for him, dropping us to 22, where Hill would be better value. If Hill goes in that range, we still added extra picks, and are likely to get a guy we were seriously considering at 16 anyways.
I think this scenario would be ideal and is actually somewhat realistic in my mind if we're targeting Hill. If they like Floyd enough, you might be able to wrestle their second away in the process.
