Green is a freak, not saying that Floyd is on his level. Not sure you can compare too many people to Green athletically. I took your comment as a slight to MF and not a compliment to AJG, my bad. A lot of people are trashing on him around here. Personally, I'd love to add a wideout like Floyd; we need to draft a receiver who has dealt with shitty QBs and succeeded. He continued to improve as a player even while the quarterback situation at ND was in decline.
Baker, i'm not questioning your ability to evaluate prospects outside of ND thats insanity. You are very good at what you do. It's just that my opinion on Floyd is that he is overrated around here, and part of that is your extremely high opinion of him. People (especially the more casual draft fans who count on your opinions as well as GH, JTJ and several others) have started to take on that opinion of him as well. Floyd is a great prospect, but I still don't think he is a top 15 guy. I just don't see him becoming a dominant #1 WR at the next level. Thats kind of my criteria for being a top 15 pick. You better expect that guy to be a near top of the line player at his position in the NFL with those picks.
I am very high on him because I've seen so much of him and on a weekly basis. I don't know if there's anyone on this board whose seen him as much as I did so that's why I am very passionate on my take with Floyd over any player in this draft....its because I have seen so much of him that I truly know what he can and cannot do after his 4 year stint in ND. I am fine with people who want to believe what they've seen him in their eyes, I don't think I should alone convince someone of who to take. All I ask is to explain one's self as to why and we can have a healthy discussion. I thought Floyd would be a top 25 pick heading into this year due to the legal problems but amazingly enough, he had a great senior year on and off the field and added a few new dimensions to his game. I made the mistake of discrediting Meandean and WW85(Both huge Buckeye fans) on their Gholston analysis and I quickly learned one very important aspect of a player due to the Gholston failure....and its heart/desire>skill all the time. Its why I loved Locker so much and still do think he's going to be really good and be what Tebow would be if he changed his throwing mechanics. We're going to have to agree to disagree nyjetsrule I suppose though. I anxiously await how Floyd's career goes in the NFL but I have a really, really good feeling on him. He's the only guy who will sabotage his career and it'd be a damn shame if he does so because he has the ability to be a go to star WR in the NFL.
Andy Dalton 2011: 516 passing attempts, 3,398 yards, 20 TDs, 13 INTs Matt Ryan 2011: 566 passing attempts, 4,177 yards, 29 TDs, 12 INTs Not that different, especially considering Matt Ryan was throwing to: Roddy White, Tony Gonzalez, Julio Jones, and Harry Douglas. Dalton was throwing to: AJ Green. Gresham didn't do anything. Jerome Simpson had that one somersault TD. It was the AJ Green show. You switch the two WRs, and it becomes the Julio Jones show in Cincy. AJ Green was the 1a prospect in that draft and Julio Jones was the 1b prospect, it wasn't even 1 and 2. They were 1a and 1b coming out of high school as well. AJ Green is a more finesse, jump ball WR with superb hands. Julio Jones is much faster, tougher, more complete WR who made highlight reel plays but also dropped some highlight reel catches. If Jones can improve his hands, he'll be a better WR than AJ Green in the NFL. AJ Green = Randy Moss v 2.0, but slower (can't get faster) Julio Jones = Andre Johnson v 2.0, but faster with inconsistent hands (can be worked on) You clearly never watched the Falcons. Roddy White was the #1 look, Tony Gonzalez was the #2 look, Julio Jones was the #3 look if their O-line could buy Ryan enough time. Their OC who they let go also rarely called downfield passing plays -- that's why they brought in Koetter from Jax who uses a 4 vertical philosophy and runs WR screens to get the ball into Julio's hands. Doesn't matter if a toaster was covering Julio Jones, he was the 3rd option in the passing game and the 4th option in the offense when you include Michael Turner. AJ Green was the #1 option in the offense and received the majority of the 516 pass attempts. Julio Jones did not receive a quarter of Matt Ryan's 566 pass attempts. Let's reconvene on this subject in 2016.
What the hell are you talking about? Ryan threw for an extra 800 yards, and 9 TD's. Their interception numbers are even, and their PA are similar but it doesn't matter how many times they threw the ball, how many times they completed a pass is what matters. My point about Dalton/Ryan is that Dalton is a rookie figuring out how things work at the NFL level. Ryan is at this point a savvy vet who knows the game, and knows how to use his weapons. Also, is there any doubt Ryan was the better QB last year? I don't care about Dalton's potential to be better in this argument, purely a year ago, the better QB was Matt Ryan, and there is almost no argument to the contrary. And thank you for proving my point more than I could. A.J. Green was it in Cincy, Simpson was average, and Gresham was useless outside the redzone. Green was the ONLY receiving option, which means from a coverage standpoint he was doubled all day long, and still put up the ridiculous rookie season that he did. Meanwhile, Julio Jones was playing solo coverage against the #2 guy, and sometimes the nickle CB when he was lined up in the slot. It's a heck of a lot easier to get open against weaker opponents/coverage. You say Jones would have dominated in Cincy, I say he would have done well, but he was not a legit #1 option at the start of the year. I have significant doubts that if you swapped the two, that Jones would have put up the numbers Green did. As far as your first look argument, you have to be open for the QB to throw you the ball. Green was always open, against better coverage. Jones was probably open almost as much, but he was doing it against #2 and #3 corners, making it a hell of a lot easier to get open in the NFL. You can argue 1a 1b blah blah blah, Green was the better prospect coming out by a country mile. Not to say Jones wasn't an elite prospect, because he was. In fact it any other year but 2011 he would have been the top prospect. Thats because Green was on another level.
Green was the best NFL-ready WR prospect since C. Johnson. I had him rated #1 on my big board last year ahead of Newtown. Getting back to Floyd, I think the Jets take him if he is there. I would rather take a OLB, but Floyd could really help this offense immensely. If they do that, they need to get Curry or another pass-rusher (Shea) in the 2nd.
I really like Floyd and I would love him on the Jets if he's there but I think he's going to end up in Buffalo so I don't want to talk him up too much. SUCKS
Floyd is perfect for what the Jets need. He's big,physical, tough & attacks the football w/ tremendous body control. Is he Calvin Johnson? No he's not. But he's a potential # 1 WR built for a northeast offense. I doubt he's there at 16
I thought this too until Demetress Bell signed with the Eagles. The Bills don't have a left tackle and will need to take one in the 1st -- probably Reiff or Martin. They'll probably look to go WR in the 2nd with Jeffery. If he gets past the Jaguars, the Cardinals could be a dark horse team. Kolb would fair better with Fitz and Floyd.
I didn't prove your point at all. AJ Green was 1a and the consensus top prospect because he was more pro ready and has consistent hands, very fluid. Julio Jones has the higher upside of the two, he's bigger faster stronger -- needs to catch the ball consistently. The coverage argument is also flawed. Green faced #1 CBs, but received double digit targets every game. Julio faced #2 CBs (he did not play out of the slot) but received three or four targets a game on average. Cincy's OC dialed up passes to Green early and often. Mike Mularkey dialed up passes to Roddy White and Tony Gonzalez early and often, and runs to Michael Turner -- Julio got lost in the mix and he didn't use the new toy well --> so he was fired. You can't compare a #1 target on a team to a #3 target on a team...you simply can't. If Blackmon goes to the Rams and serves as the #1 WR from Day 1 and Michael Floyd lands on the Eagles and serves as the #3 WR from Day 1, are you going to say Blackmon is clearly the better WR if he has more passes thrown at him, more catches, and more TDs? This is the same thing. Blackmon is 1a right now and Floyd is 1b.
I think ARI will take Martin or Mike Adams and have them as the RT and possible LT if Levi Brown can't handle LT again. Its the Seahawks that are scary. They are in a BPA mode with where they pick and I can see Floyd going to them to compliment their WRs.
I think Arizona is more of a threat to get Floyd than Seattle. The Seahawks have a solid core of Rice, Williams, Tate, and Baldwin that can be efficient as long as theyre healthy. Arizona is lacking a solid #2. Although, I do think they go OLine because of the depth of WRs in this draft. Maybe a bold statement here but if Floyd gets past Miami, I think he's a Jet.
I don't think Floyd goes to Miami. If Tannehill gets past Cleveland he'll be headed for South Florida. What you do have to worry about is somebody trading up. We've seen the WR position increase in value over the last few years...although this is a solid WR class, there is a drop off after Blackmon/Floyd.
IMO taking Tannehill is stupid for Miami, hey they probably will, and I dont discredit anyone saying that they should. I think taking Floyd and looking for a QB next year is a lot smarter, again, just my personal opinion. The depth of WRs in this draft will help the Jets out in their chances of getting Floyd. Yeah you can trade up to get Floyd but who is going to give up all those picks when you can just settle for a WR like Wright or Jeffery who, while not better, arent THAT far off from Floyd's skill set. And the only teams I can think of who would want to trade up to get Floyd like Cleveland, Houston, or the Broncos would have to give up A LOT to get into the early teens from their picks (22, 25, 26). I dont want to commit to Floyd as my #1 option for this team because when i do that I jinx things but I will say I'd love him on this team and as days go by it looks more likely he could be available at 16.
The Bills don't seem to care what-so-ever about their Offensive line. I really doubt they draft Reiff or Martin - Chances are high they select Floyd, but Nix (their GM) will let us know shortly the exact player they will select, check any article from the Buffalo News quoting him in the days leading up to the draft.
Floyd has shown me enough at this point that I think we have to take him if he's there at 16, barring a projected top-5 guy falling to us somehow. When was the last time we took a blue chip offensive weapon early in the draft? If you discount Dustin Keller (who was our second 1st round pick that year and has been a letdown) and offensive lineman, you have to go all the way back to 2001 to find a draft where the Jets took a legitimate offensive weapon in the first round. That's 11 years, is it any wonder we have basically no premier weapons at the WR position? The NFL is becoming an increasingly pass-centric league, and I don't have complete faith in Schillings to be our #2 WR, or even for Holmes to be our #1. Furthermore, Keller has been a consistent letdown with inconsistent hands. I think Floyd has #1 WR potential, he has the physical tools as well as the ball skills. Having said all of this, I highly doubt he drops to us at 16.
