Mock #1: http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=71392 This is a follow up to my first Mock. Please feel free to agree, disagree, or ignore entirely since these picks are just wishful thinking on my part. Some of them may be overly optimistic projections on my part but I'm a fan, not a draft guru. TRADE! Jets trade 1.16 (1000 pts) to Cleveland for 1.22 (780 pts), 4.100 (100 pts), 4.118 (58 pts), 5.139 (37 pts), and 5.160 (27 pts). This assumes that Floyd slips to #16 and the Jets would rather get the picks than Floyd (yes, big assumption I know). Jets Draft Picks: 1.22 (ATL->CLE), 2.47, 3.77, 4.100 (CLE), 4.118 (ATL->CLE), 5.139 (CLE), 5.160 (ATL->CLE), 6.187 (PHI->IND), 6.202 (C), 6.203 (C), 7.232 (DEN), 7.242 (C), 7.244 (C) MOCK: 1.22: Dont'a Hightower, LB, Alabama Once again this is my guy but the value isn't there at 16 so we drop down before the Steelers and take him. Most experts believe he can play either ILB/OLB in a 3-4 and provides some tremendous scheme versatility for Sexy Rexy. Bart can still start next to Harris on running downs with DH at OLB and then slide DH to the inside on passing downs with Mayhem at the OLB. I like that a lot. [YOUTUBE]DXsxoisEmxQ[/YOUTUBE] 2.47: Harrison Smith, SS, ND Does anyone believe that Laron Landry will stay healthy for the entire season? And even if he does he is only on a 1 year deal. If Smith is available here we take him and don't look back. He may only be a situational starter this year but next year he becomes our SS of the future. [YOUTUBE]6RYHD6dMy7U[/YOUTUBE] 3.77: Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian St We get our big receiver to complement Tone. Its entirely likely that he is off the board by now but if he's there we grab him and don't look back. He's big, physical, quick, and has great hands. [YOUTUBE]oh5X0_c1DZo[/YOUTUBE] 4.100: Brandon Washington, OG, Miami Big run blocker with a nasty streak that should fit well into the Sparano blocking scheme. I think he plays LOG next season with Slauson moving to ROG. [YOUTUBE]MK82qvFFNZg[/YOUTUBE] 4.118: Tauren Poole, RB, Tennessee I know, I know....another year another RB. I think this guy has a lot of potential in our system. He's not a speed back but he has enough speed. He's not a power back but he plays with a low pad level. I believe he will be what we thought Shonn Greene would be. [YOUTUBE]64f9yxOr-t4[/YOUTUBE] 5.139: Tank Carder, ILB, TCU This is around the time we are looking for ST players and Carder is excellent value here with a lot of upside. I liked watching him chase future NFL 1st rounders RGIII and Kendall Wright in this video. [YOUTUBE]lbLcj5IBAyE[/YOUTUBE] 5.160: Brandon Hardin, FS, Oregon St My sleeper in the draft. His shoulder injury forced him to miss his senior season but he proved at his pro-day that he's back. He is 6'3", runs a 4.36 40, and put up 24 reps on the bench. And he hits like a mack truck. This guy will be everything we wanted from Sherry Rhodes. [YOUTUBE]LzSGaWweKIg[/YOUTUBE] 6.187: Chris Greenwood, CB, Albion Where the f@*! is Albion? This dude is a project but at 6'1" with a 43" vertical and 4.4 speed he's worth a shot. [YOUTUBE]nGKz1NiEUrw[/YOUTUBE] 6.202: Devier Posey, WR, Ohio St Yes, he was suspended for 10 games last year by the NCAA. Yes he had some difficulty catching the ball during the Senior Bowl. But the kid has talent and those issues will cause him to drop and we will gladly give him a shot. He's big, has speed, and has played against top talent....giddyup. [YOUTUBE]pMoKu6hymWE[/YOUTUBE] 6.203: Jeff Adams, ROT, Colombia I've seen a lot of mocks projecting us to draft Adams for ROT. I just chose a different Adams. He's a massive guy from a small school so its not like he will step in and be a starter right away. This is the 6th round so lets take a chance on a guy who could eventually be a player. [YOUTUBE]M-Ss0kAzltY[/YOUTUBE] 7.232: Carson Wiggs, PK, Purdue 7th round kicker for camp competition. [YOUTUBE]m-PtbRt7KLQ[/YOUTUBE] 7.242: Brad Nortman, P, Wisconsin Shot in the dark. [YOUTUBE]x-b2NkU1ljM[/YOUTUBE] 7.244: Andrew Szczerba, TE, Penn St Big. Strong. Injury prone. 7th rounder. [YOUTUBE]WhTMcqFOkKk[/YOUTUBE]
From your mouth to the Jets ears. That's the kind of draft we need to replenish some of the depth and go find that 4th to 6th round star that other teams come up with now and then and the Jets never do because they don't make enough of those picks.
No doubt about it, the Browns are in win now mode, and completley willing to give up 5 draft picks for 1
Are you sure some of those browns picks (particularly the 5th rounders) aren't compensatory picks? because those are untradeable.
If we have that many picks, we better be double dipping at passrush even if its in the 6th round. Also, this may just be the way I see it, but I would rather have their 2nd round pick and draft one of Doug Martin, Lamar Miller or David Wilson in order to really get back to the ground and pound mentality. IMO, one of the top RB prospects could do more for this offense than the majority of every other pick possible. Our backfield is sub par for any team, let alone a “ground and pound” team... I know many dont agree and say that RBs can be had in the late rounds, but the truth is, we haven’t found one and we still dont have a #1 RB. I like most of the picks though- Hightower would be very nice, especially in a trade back scenario, Harrison Smith might not make it that far but he would be able to fill that FS spot that we lack and has all of the intangibles, Brandon Washington is a great gaurd prospect and wanted him with out original 4th, both of the WR selected would be great too. Overall, not bad at all... Just if I were to do it, I would invest in a RB a little bit more. And as DCM said, I highly doubt a rebuilding team would give up 5 picks for 1.
The Browns aren't weak on depth at this point. I could see them making that trade up for Floyd if he dropped to them if they had taken Tannehill on the 4 or even if they had taken Richardson. They've got horrible problems on offense that have been the main thing holding the team back for 8 of the last 9 years. They've finished 27th or worse in points scored in 8 of the last 9 years. The one year they did well was when Braylon Edwards was all-world. They've already got their LT in Joe Thomas. They've already got their C in Alex Mack. I could see them trading the farm for Michael Floyd if they picked up another big playmaker on the 4 and it was not Justin Blackmon.
I do like Hightower in the first, especially in a tradeback scenario in which he is available. Would we want to risk missing out on him though? Who would we take later in round 1 if he gets scooped up before we get a shot? The other thing is I don't see hardly any separation from Quick, and not even so much from Posey. There are lots of big guys who can catch, and even that are fast as well. If they can't get separation in college how are they going to against pro corners?
Browns need to draft a QB RB WR DE At least 2 LBs (Gocong sucks,Fujita is old and possibly getting suspended for the bounties)s CB And then they have some needs @ OL Plus they need depth on top of all that. Ill also add whens the last time youve ever seen a trade like that ?
Hate to give up on Floyd but if we get a good package deal I can understand. Still think Floyd will be a superstar in the league though. Brandon Washington I think will be a 3rd round pick....be shocked if fell to the 4th. Pretty good draft though. I like the first four guys player wise.
According to NFL.com none of those picks in the trade are compensatory. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/tracker/by-name#dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-team-input:cle
I would feel much better about those chances if Mangini were still there but point taken. But if they can Richardson at #4 and then get Floyd at #16 for just two 4th and two 5th rounders I'd say their offense is instantly improved. Plus they still have their 2, 3, two 6, and three 7th Rounders. That doesn't sound too unrealistic to me.
There are other players available at 23 for us, most likely Perry and Branch in that order of preference. If all three are gone we go BPA or, Tannenbaum forbid we trade down again to get more picks. As for Quick and Posey, we're not asking either to be a #1. We need a #2 and #4 to go with Tone and Kerley. We need someone big for the red zone and some speed to stretch the field. That's where Quick and Posey match our needs.
I'll admit that it's more usual for a team to trade up into the top 10 in that kind of deal but if the Browns saw Floyd on the board on the 16 and wanted him I think they'd make that kind of deal to get him. The only deal I can think of off-hand that gave up that number of picks for a player was when the Saints traded basically their entire draft for Ricky Williams. What prompted the Saints to do that (aside from Mike Ditka's ability to finally dress a player up in a wedding dress and stand next to him?) Well they'd had a pretty crappy offense for the 4 years before that including dead last in the NFL and next to last. That kind of ineptitude focuses bad franchises since not only are they bad but they are not exciting to watch either and the stadiums empty out some.
Its completely and entirely unrealistic. Why would a rebuilding team give up 5 draft picks ? Why would a team who already has 10 draft picks, trade their first rounder for 5 picks ? Trades of this magnitude are simply rare. Not to mention why wouldnt the Browns give us their 1st (780 points) and their 3rd (250 points) for our first (1000 points) Makes a little more sense don't it ? I mean we could always trade our 1st rounder for all their 4th 5th 6th and 7th round picks for the next 5 years ! The trade value chart hasnt been re-evaluated since the rookie salary rules were put into place
Well it would help considering we have something like only 25-30 players signed through 2013 I think...
30 people under contract right now for 2013, 10 draft picks this year, 7 after this season. Puts us at 47 players for 2013 before resigning any ufa/rfa of our own Plus anymore FA we get this year/next offseason Not to mention we have 63 or so guys on the roster RIGHT NOW. So i presume we will resign a couple of the 33 who arent under contract longer than this year. Getting a few picks in the first 4 rounds im cool with, but we cant be chucking prime picks for borderline UDFA, we just dont need them, and truthfully donthave the roster space
It's not crazy unrealistic by any means. They are essentially giving up four day TWO draft picks for a stud offensive weapon that the browns desperately need. We have seen crazier draft trades. That is by no means giving up the farm by any means. Besides, this is a mock draft, you should have some fun with it. Stop taking it so seriously.
Would be very happy with this. In my mock which I've been finalizing I have a very similar trade down with the Browns (interesting we both chose the Browns for a similar reason), but they don't lose any draft picks and we get to recoup our 4th rounder in an even trade. I also like Hardin a lot, and am debating between him and Janzen Jackson in my mock. One day it's one, the next it's the other. I think I'm going with Jackson because we don't need another safety with an injury problem if we can get one without one. We target the same positions in the same rounds, we just choose different players. Sucks that the Jets want to stick with Ducasse/Hunter at RT or else an early pick could be used on an OT for sure.
