I realize this stuff is mostly "locker room talk," but now that this is viral, Gooddell isn't going to be happy. The stuff about targeting the head and targeting Crabtree's ACL is kinda unnerving. I suppose it happens frequently, but it's still unsettling to actually hear it. [youtube]fhnn9kbqQUA[/youtube] http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-gregg-williams-urged-saints-to-injure-49ers/
I would guess the league is well aware of this tape. Rumor was that Williams would have been banned for life and still may be but the league wants him to testify against the players first and for that reason made it "indefinite".
I figured since the league is so good at destroying tapes that they wouldn't have allowed this one to see the light of day. Either way, now that people can hear this globally, Gooddell will probably have a difficult time explaining his decision to allow Williams back.
what sense does that make? authority runs uphill, not downhill. what is he going to testify to, that his players did what their coaches ordered them to do? that is an indictment of him not the players. that would be the equivalent of saying the prosecution of a corporate scandal wants the CEO of a company to testify that his employees shredded documents because he ordered them to as if it was the employees fault.
I actually think that the league was behind leaking this tape. It will make Payton's appeal pretty damn tough.
SMoking gun right there. He should be banned for life. But, whoever leaked the tape should be fined as well.http://www.staged.com/video?v=358b
if it is someone in the league office that leaked it, they would likely just be fired. I doubt labor laws would allow you to fine a salaried league employee. if it is a player, it would be hard to claim they should be fined? for what? who does that audio belong to? what right would the league have in preventing them from releasing it?
I disagree. he has and can do whatever the fuck he wants within the confines of the collective bargaining agreement. whether that agreement states the league owns everything that is recorded within the locker rooms is unknown.
Lmao that's some funny stuff right there. If he's never weclcomed back to the NFL, Williams has a future as an evil karate instructor. Sent from my SGH-T589 using Tapatalk
I think the audio was recorded by filmmaker or something. Not sure if he actually "owns" it though. This would surprise me because I'd think Goodell and the rest of the league executives want to protect the NFL's image as much as they can, especially in the eyes of kids and the average fan. When you have audio of a coach repeatedly using the word "kill" and targeting the head of a previously concussed player and another player's ACL, it sounds pretty bad. Regarding Payton's appeal, if the league has the audio then they'll use that against him; whether or not it's leaked and goes viral shouldn't make a difference in their case against Payton because they would have possession of it either way.
The tape was downloaded to YouTube by Sean Pamphilon who was doing a documentary on Steve Gleason, following him around. This is what he has to say about it. It seems clear now that they (The NFL) had lots of past proof that they were doing this stuff, but were gonna let it slide if the Saints had stopped after the first investigation. My guess is they were contacted by this film maker had to know this was gonna come out sooner or later. Sean Pamphilon, the documentary filmmaker who released an audio recording of former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams extolling his players to injure players on the 49ers, has also released a rambling, 6,000-word statement on the time he spent following the Saints to chronicle the life of Steve Gleason, a former Saint who is dying of Lou Gehrig’s Disease. And although Pamphilon expresses gratitude and respect for many in the Saints organization, he expresses contempt for Williams. Among Pamphilon’s observations are that Williams, in the opinion of Pamphilon, isn’t the only coach who has encouraged players to hurt opponents, but he maybe the only one who wouldn’t stop even after he had been warned that he had to. “Essentially, Gregg Williams is not entirely unique,” Pamphilon writes. “He’s just the one who was arrogant enough to continue when he was told to stop and eventually, he got popped for it.” In a lengthy passage, Pamphilon also recounts what he heard Williams tell his players about playing the game his way: “’We make no apologies for the way we play the game,’ Williams said in a tone which suggested that he actually had the balls to put on a uniform and do the very things he was ordering his players to do, much less be on the receiving end of the blows he was ordering up. “I don’t have those balls. “You don’t have those balls. “And Gregg Williams most definitely does not have those balls. “It’s a cowards play to send someone off to do your malicious bidding. I’m sure many of his players would have told him this if they weren’t scared to lose their jobs or look like bitches in front of their teammates. Or if they weren’t 25 and couldn’t possibly have a fully developed perspective on life.” Pamphilon seems to acknowledge that he didn’t have permission to release Williams’ speech publicly, noting that in doing so he “compromised my personal relationships and risked damaging Steve Gleason’s relationship with the Saints.” But in Pamphilon’s opinion, it was worth it to expose the truth of exactly what kind of coach Williams is. And Pamphilon thinks Williams is an arrogant coward.
