I wouldn't expect Perry to come in a be as good as the Cactus against the run, but he could eventually get there. But what I see on tape is a guy with an explosive first step, good hand technique and a high motor with a nose for the football. If the Jets could trade back a few spots and grab him, even better. But IMO, he is a better pass rushing prospect than Ingram or Upshaw.
That's just because he's a kid, and would naturally prefer to not learn a new position. What he doesn't get is that it really isn't that big of a jump, especially in our D. Plus, the exact same was said about Ryan Kerrigan last year, and he made the change quite well (without Perry's overall athletic ability).
I read somewhere that Perry prefers to play with his hand on the ground. I think it's a dumb move to limit yourself before the draft. I believe he's best suited for a 4-3 defense, but that doesn't mean too much the way NFL defenses are using multiple fronts, just like Rex's defense. Perry would be a good fit in Rex's defense since he can play both positions, his strenght is rushing the passer. While I like Perry, there will be a better option (BPA) at 16. You don't pass on a better player like DeCastro, Ingram, Upshaw, or Floyd. The two positions NFL teams overvalue, QBs & Pass Rushers, and teams lose focus on the BPA. Reaching for needs is a critical error. With free agency, this year's semi-need is a huge need next year.
Ryan Kerrigan never stated his own preference. My impression is that Perry has some agent whispering in his ear that 4-3 DEs make more money down the road. Don't get me wrong -- I like Perry a lot & dont think he's overdrafted at 16. If we dont take him, San Diego will grab him at 18.
I totally agree with the BPA ideology, but sometimes you have to make exceptions. Pass rush is overvalued because it's almost damn near impossible to get one in FA without breaking the bank. The Jets have ignored the need since Gholston, and its needs to be addressed. Now, out of the guys you listed, the only one I might take before Perry is DeCastro. I really do believe that Perry is a better prospect than Ingram and Upshaw. That's just my personal opinion. And I like Floyd, but I think there is less of a drop off at the WR position in the 2nd round than at OLB.
I know anything can happen on draft day but I have prepared myself that DeCastro and Ingram are just not going to be there at 16. Even Floyd is moving up draft boards to the extent I have him going earlier than 16. So the question of the day is determining who our better prospect at 3-4 rush OLB is --- Upshaw/Perry/Mercilus. Can we afford to pass & wait until the 2nd round for either Branch/Curry or even Ronnell Lewis? We've got 3 weeks from tomorrow, people!
As of now I haven't seen anything other than people speculating about Perry, which is just what they were doing about Kerrigan. Like WW said, I doubt anyone would ever limit themselves when money's at stake, and especially when he's a better fit out at LB.
My Philosophy is "BPA with common sense". I understand the value of an "outstanding" passrusher. The problem is they are so difficult to find. I only believe they're about 4 or 5 elite pass rushers in the NFL, that's it. If the Jet's reach for a player to pass on a higher rated player that is a sure NFL starter, it would be a mistake. The Jets have a lot of holes that can be filled with the number 1 pick. Floyd: potential #1 receiver, and a solid #2 for now which we sorely lack. DeCastro;Day one starter, Slauson may not be ready and Moore is on the decline and his last year on his contract. Upshaw: has received a lot of bad pub lately, he's still a better player than Perry. Hightower: the stepchild of bama's defense, can play an LB position in Rex's defense and a better pass-rusher than people think. IMO, Bama's best defensive player. Glenn: a G/RT that will start right away.
Just curious WW, and because I value your opinion on such matters, who do you take with #16? Let's say DeCastro, Hightowere, Perry, Floyd, Upshaw and Glenn are all there with no trade partners to move back.
I know you asked WW but the clear choice there is Floyd. He's the best prospect out of that whole list of names, can make the most impact (IMO), and to be honest is the safest pick next to DeCastro.
1. Glenn 2. Perry 3. Floyd 4. Hightower 5. Decastro 6. Upshaw Predicting WW's list: 1. Decastro 2. Floyd 3. Upshaw 4. Hightower 5. Glenn 6. Perry
It would be a difficult decision, between Floyd and Decastro. I would draft DeCastro. DeCastro is expected to be a NFL Pro-Bowl player in short time, that's why he's rated so high playing OG. Our need at OG isn't clear to some, but trust me,it's going to be an issue if we don't address it this year. The reason I passed on Floyd was because I still believe the Jet's will address WR later in the draft or sign a FA after the draft.
You know me too well! All six players are very good and wish we could have all six. I enjoy debating the value/need of players with you. I think both of us bring to the table strong POVs and have valid points. It would be no fun if we agreed 100% of the time.
Does the debate over Nick Perry, by default, make him a reach and therefore not the BPA at #16? Or is the debate over his position (3-4 OLB vs 4-3 DE, along with his "stated" preference) only occurring on this message board? I guess I'm kinda paranoid after the Gholston fiasco, and I wonder if taking ANY player in which there's a question about the positional transition automatically disqualifies that player from being BPA.
Perry is not value on the 16 given who else will be there as well. He's maybe 25-26 pick value, alongside Branch. Branch is already good against the run and they're both pure speed rushers at this point. I'd rather take the guy who is a good two-way player and then work on his pass-rushing technique so he doesn't turn into a one-trick pony at the NFL level.
I'm on the same page as you. If DeCastro is there we have to take him. We have Moore who despite making the pro bowl last year is slowing down. We have Vlad the Worthless behind him, we lost Turner so by not addressing it now we are gambling away our future at that position and we all saw last year how important the OL was to the team. DeCastro is the #1 guy on my board (of course in fantasy world there'd be guys ahead of him) but I think addressing the OL in this draft is not only important I think it should be priority #1.
Agreed. If all of those players are available at 16 I think DeCastro has to be the pick. DD Floyd Upshaw (I have a feeling he might be gone by 16, too) Trade back (if possible) Hightower
Please tell me why you're ignoring everything I've said to refute the comment that he's equal with Andre Branch. Branch can't play against the run, he's got a long, weak frame, poor technique, and hates locking up with tackles. On the flip side Perry has a powerful frame, 20 lbs on Branch, doubled his bench numbers, half a foot better vert, and showed a willingness to lock up with/go through linemen to make plays.
