How come you never acknowledge the fact that the Patriots team played well in the Super Bowl runs and the Patriots team didn't play well in their Super Bowl losses? I thought everyone here knew that every QB needs help to win and lose. A team that averaged 30+ points a game came into the biggest game of their season and put up 14. While yes the defense gave up a late drive, doesn't some of that fall on the offense as a whole for not putting the D in a position they had been most of the season? Doesn't some of the 2011-2012 loss fall on the offense also because they couldn't sustain a late drive and gave the ball back to the Giants. Don't they get some blame for throwing inaccurate passes and dropping catches?
No. They lost the last 2 SB's because the offense did not play to a winnable level. They lost this one because Brady did not hit Welker on an easy pass that would have likely sealed the game and also missed a wide open Branch over the middle. They haven't won a SB w/o a top tier defense despite only getting to the last two SB's because the defense stepped up in the two AFCCG's.
There's no doubt Brady didn't have great SBs the last 2 but last I checked he left the field very late in each game- one w/ a 4 pt lead, the other w/ a 3 pt lead, and the D allowed long drives to lose those games. They didn't play their best but they played to a winnable level. Welker dropped that critical pass, not the greatest throw but more than catchable. They just reached the SB w/ the 31st ranked D. They left the field in the SB w/ a 3 pt lead.
I don't care about the leads if in fact they gave a 14-10 lead. For a team that average 30+ points, putting the defense in a position where they have to hold a team to 10 points to win is putting them in a bad position. The offense that the Patriots ran during the regular season fell short in both Super Bowls. Some of those losses fall on the Pats O because the offense had chances to put the game away and they couldn't. You can't just look and say oh the offense gave them a 4,3 point lead when the offense had multiple chances, and had done numberous times in the season before, given the defense a bigger lead.
That was a bad pass to Welker. Was it catchable? Yeah, maybe 15% of the time. The D made the plays in the last two AFCCG's that put them in the SB. The offense played poorly in both AFCCG's - especially the 2007 game. Brady has not won a SB w/o a top tier defense.
how many close SBs have been high scoring? Pats-Panthers? GB-Den? Most close games will be low scoring which makes it worse for the D allowing the late pts b/c they shut down the opposing O most of the game. In SB XLII the Giants had 3 pts entering the 4th qtr. They trailed 7-3 in the 4th, scored to take a 10-7 lead then NE scored a TD on an 80 yd drive to give NE a 4 pt lead w/ a couple of mins left. In SB XLVI the Giants had 2 FGs from the 2nd qtr through late in the 4th qtr then w/ the game on the line up 3 the D allows the Giants to go 88 yds for the GW TD. They couldn't even hold the Giants to a FG to give their O a chance w/ a FG to win it rather than having to score a TD going 80 yds in under a minute. The O has respnsibility in the losses as well but the D blew both SBs.
It was not a good pass but it was very catchable, that's on Welker. he'll make that catch every other time it's thrown to him. Brady got to a SB w/ the 31st ranked D, his D blew both SBs and they didn't give him enough time to pull it out unlike the Rams and Panthers SBs where he rescued the D after they blew late leads.
Really? If you read the article they show that there was another pass eerily similar to the one in the SB where Welker had to make a tremendous adjustment and couldn't hold on. It was a 2 out of 10 reception at best. That defense bailed Brady out to get to the SB the last two times. Brady failed in each of the SB putting up points way below their average. The lead they had in SB 36 was BECAUSE of the defense. Brady did nothing all game and the last drive was dink and dunk and was lucky to have AV. Brady "bailed" them out in SB 38 because he had the world's greatest PK and got lucky that Kasay kicked the ball out of bounds that set them up w/ great field position.
Welker should amke that catch, any professional WR should make that catch much more oftne than not. You mean the D that relied on a dropped TD pass and missed chip shot against Baltimore? He did put up pts well below where he normally leads them too but again he left the field w/ a lead and the D blew it. It was a low scoring game where Brady was battered all game long, in the final minutes he led his O 80 yds for the go ahead TD then his D allowed a mediocre offense to score the GW TD soon after. Really? The Pats D allowed NINETEEN 4th qtr pts to an average at best offense. Brady led his O to 18 4th qtr pts to win that game.
It was an extremely difficult pass to catch. If Brady makes the throw the game is over. He didn't and put Welker in a bad situation. I mean the D that knocked the ball out of Lee Evans' hand to force a game tying FG try that was missed. So the offense did not play up to par. Excuses. Brady played terrible in SB XLIII The Panthers played great in SB 38. But to say Brady "bailed" them out when he benefited from having the best clutch kicker in NFL history and great field position because Kasay kicked the ball out of bounds is being a bit disingenuous.
Bradys pass to Welker was not good, but it was more than catchable. If you get both hands on the ball, you catch it. I dont care how hard it is. The ball hit Welker in both hands and he dropped it. It was a drop and not a overthrow. If you pull up the stats, Welker will get credit for the drop. It wasn't a good throw, but again, Welker should've caught it, and it's a play he probably makes at least 75% of the time.
It was very catchable ball, the pass wasn't great but should never have been dropped. Oh the D knocked it away so if Evans secured the ball he still wouldn't have caught it? The offense gave the defenses 2 late leads in SBs, unfortunately they didn't leave enough time to get the ball back knowing the D would fail again. Think about that- in 4 of the Pats 5 SBs since 2001 the Defense has blown 4th qtr leads but luckily for NE Brady had enough time to rescue them in 2 of them. Brady wasn't good or bad in XLIII but Santonio was pretty damn good. Oh so the D gets a pass b/c the Panthers played great but the Giants D but Brady doesn't get any sort of pass for the Giant D which played great throughout both SBs? Of course Brady and the O bailed them out, the D allowed 19 4th qtr pts in a close game- how do you win a game like that if your O doesn't continually score? The fact that you won't give Brady and the O any credit for the Panthers SB tells us all we need to know about your anti-Brady bias. You will make excuses for peyton throwing away a SB but not give Brady credit for leading his O to 18 4th qtr pts as his D allowed 19?
It was not “very” catchable. That’s a 2 out of 10 play. The ball was way behind him just like the one in the Eagles game that was mentioned in the article. It’s an extremely tough catch Moore made a great play on the ball preventing the go ahead TD. What’s the issue? The Defense played a good game while Brady did not. Actually, the Pats got the ball back with plenty of time and timeouts in each of the SB’s. The difference in this one was that they needed a TD and not a FG which was out of Brady’s element. You of all people have no room to point out typo’s The Pats were bailed out by Kasay’s idiotic kickoff and Vinateri nailing another GW FG Actually, I’ve given Brady plenty of credit for the Panthers SB. But not the last drive when he was given great field position and still needed Vinatieri to bail the team out.
Stop it, that's a 7-8 out of 10 play. pretend Peyton threw it and then let me know what you think. If Evans secures the ball they score a TD, it's as simple as that. You think down 3 w/ 29 seconds to play at their own 26 is plenty of time? they did have 3 TOs which helped but that's still a near impossible spot. You think down 4 w/ 57 seconds to play and 1 timeout at their own 20 is plenty of time? if that's the case then even after Peyton threw away SB XLIV he had plenty of time to bring them back to tie it. That was a joke about XLIII but I doubt it was a typo- just a mistake. Yep, the pats were bailed out b/c of the Kasay KO. Brady leading them to pts top keep them in that game had nothing to do w/ it:rofl2: The Pats D was great only allowing 19 4th qtr pts- my mistake:lol: Brady was given great FP to win that Carolina SB but last I checked getting it at the 40 isn't a guarantee and he still had to make plays to get his kicker into range(AV had already missed 2 kicks that game). He had a 3rd and 3 from the Car 40 w/ 14 secs to play, he connected for 17 yds to set up a 41 yd FG. Let's look at a similar situation for Peyton from the 2005 playoffs at HOME in the div rd. -got the ball at the Indy 42(2 yds closer) w/ all 3 TOs(just like NE). -Manning had 2nd and 28 from 28, threw to EZ incomplete -Manning had 3rd and 2 from 28, threw to EZ incomplete -set up 46 yd FG. Peyton had every opportunity to get his kicker closer, a kicker who was the kicking version of Peyton(great reg season, choker in January) but he couldn't. This was after multiple gifts gave Peyton a chance to get that game to OT. Just b/c you get it at the 40 doesn't guarantee success. Brady and the O kept the team in that game as the D was shredded on almost every drive in the 4th. They got a break w/ the botched KO but Brady and the O took advantage- if they don't go score for score w/ Carolina that kick would have been meaningless.
If you look at the link, it is a play he rarely makes and a play the Pats rarely run. Oh and Junc why are you overlooking the fact that the defense in the Baltimore game was put in a bad position because of the offense. Lets look at what happened. Pats take lead. Baltimore starts driving, picked off giving the Pats the ball with 7:22 at the 50 yard line up 3. Perfect time to get a few first downs and put the game away, right? Brady throws a pick into double coverage on a horrific decision and gives the ball right back. NE defense then stops Baltimore again on 4th down. Patriots then go 3 and out! and Baltimore gets the ball back again. Two chances where one decent drive ends the game, and the Pats ran a total of 4 plays for 6 yards, no first downs, 1 turnover, 1:17 taken off the clock.
I don't overlook anything, I was told the D carried them. if not for a dropped pass and missed chip shot FG NE either loses or the game goes to OT. The O deserves their share of the blame for not closing out that game, they had multiple chances but to act like the D carried the O when it was 2 fluky plays that allowed them to hold on is unfair. I don't care if that was the first time they ran that Welker play, he has to catch that ball. It was not a great throw but it was more than catchable.
Okay, thats fair then. The D did hold the team together in the 4th when they stopped BAL twice on back to back drives and the offense did nothing. It was catchable, but have you tried making a catch like that? To turn your body and fall backwards stretched out is very difficult. You could say Welker could catch that, but I hold Brady to a higher standard at QB then Welker at WR so I think the throw should have been on point. You have a 3 time SB winning QB, he has to make a better throw.
Stop what? That pass was BEHIND Welker forcing a very difficult pass to be caught. If it was so easy, then why did Welker drop the same pass in the Eagles game? Evans didn’t secure the ball because of a great play by Moore. It’s very simple. Got it? They had 3 timeouts and only needed a FG in 42. There was plenty of time to move the ball especially with that offense. But Brady wanted the long ball every time. That was a typo not a mistake Add in another 20 yards to that drive and they don’t get the GW FG. So yeah, they were bailed out by Kasay’s idiotic Kickoff. The difference between Brady’s scenario and Manning’s is that Vinatieri would have made the 46 yard FG for the Colts. They were in FG range with one of the top kickers in the league and he butchered the kick and his career.
He's a pro, I'm not. The throw was not a great one but it wan't the worst one I have ever seen. I feel it should have been caught.
